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Cont: 2020 Presidential Election part 3

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Delvo said:
Have any of the people who keep bizarrely coming back over & over & over again to this meme, as if insulting somebody is somehow a win and being insulted is somehow a loss, ever specified what kind of response Cruz should have given that would have made a different impression?
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Honestly, I can see an argument in favor of Cruz's actual behavior if we entertain the possibility that Trump is really an ideal president. It's appropriate to defend your family from insults and it's also appropriate to swallow your pride and support a competent leader, whatever his past transgressions.

Of course, Trump is a terrible president and Cruz knew he would be. His change of position is not plausibly because he found out that Trump is really good at this job. Rather, he found it politically expedient to support a man who is a horrible president and a terrible person.

This is why Cruz is rightly ridiculed. It's not just that he's overlooking personal slights to support Trump. He's doing so while knowing damned well that Trump is bad for the nation and for nothing more than his personal political prospects.

Charitably, I suppose, he could be just stupid and thinks Trump is doing dandy.
 
slyjoe said:
I would consider it a national embarrassment if the issue could be laid at the feet of more than a small subset of Americans. What Christie was talking about the legal team's shenanigans.
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I guess I'd interpret his actual words as imprecise and he meant something broader. But this is a matter of interpretation, of course.

Look, I'd call Trump's presidency itself a national embarrassment and not just an embarrassment to him and his cabinet. In the same way, I think Christie's comment is reasonable.
 
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MRC_Hans said:
I'm sorry, but it IS a national embarrassment. This circus is possible because the US has an arcane election system and a surprising number of corrupt politicians.

THAT is the swamp that wants draining.

Hans
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That I agree with. That is a national embarrassment. That is not what Christie was talking about. I will drop it. I am just tired of the Republicans deflecting everything so it helps them.
 
The Don said:
I thought the allegation was that there were more votes than there were registered voters (though the allegation is false).

Where is his evidence for more votes than people who voted ?
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I’m pretty sure that the second verse of the I-love-Trump song is

“Evidence? We ain't got no evidence.
We don't need no evidence.
I don't have to show you any stinkin' evidence!"

The chorus is about how tasty and wonderful the Kool-Aid is.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
I think the tests have to include:

1) The dozen or so cases of Obstruction of Justice outlined in Mueller but set aside.

2) The Obstruction of Justice of ordering government officials to ignore lawful congressional subpoenas.

3) Wanton disregard of the Emoluments Clause, with no apparent consequences.

4) Wanton numerous violations of the Hatch Act, none acted upon.

I’m sure there are more.
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No disagreements here. My example wasn't intended to be a full list of the damages done.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Third Circuit Court of Appeals
Case Number: 20-3371

https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-...File-Stamped-Emergency-Motion-to-Expedite.pdf

"5. The proposed Second Amended Complaint (ECF 172-2) asserts
claims under the Civil Rights Act for violation of the Equal Protection and Due
Process clauses because Defendants, the Secretary of the Commonwealth, and
seven County Boards of Elections, controlled by Democrats, engaged in an
intentional scheme to count defective mail ballots which they knew would favor
Joseph Biden over Presidential Donald J. Trump. In Marks v. Stinson, 19 F.3d 873
(3d Cir. 1994), on remand, 1994 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 5273 (E.D. Pa. April 26, 1994),
this Court held such a scheme violates Equal Protection and Due Process and
affirmed the decertification of candidate Stinson and the certification of Marks by
disallowing illegal absentee ballots. Similarly, Appellants seek to exclude the
defective mail ballots which overwhelming favored Biden, which may turn the
result of the Election. Appellants do not seek to exclude any legally cast votes. "

I would say "I told you so." but it speaks for itself.
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Does it now? :cool:
 
At the point if the Republicans aren't wording the lawsuits "We request the courts tell us what to say in order to get them to overturn the election" they are lying and they know it.
 
Dave Rogers said:
This reads like they want to appeal because they've changed their minds about what their case should have been.



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What happened is after changing legal teams a couple of times, dropping and amending claims they then wanted to amend the filing with yet another complaint. The judge didn't allow that further amendment because of time constraints.
 
phiwum said:
This is why Cruz is rightly ridiculed. It's not just that he's overlooking personal slights to support Trump.
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That would explain it if the weird obsession with his lack of response to Trump's comments had only started after he started working for Trump, but they didn't. It was immediate, while they were still opponents.
 
MRC_Hans said:
I'm sorry, but it IS a national embarrassment. This circus is possible because the US has an arcane election system and a surprising number of corrupt politicians.

THAT is the swamp that wants draining.

Hans
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You left out the third pillar making possible this circus: Hordes of credulous morons.
 
phiwum said:
It's a national embarrassment that such a large percentage of voters (and also the population as a whole?) are buying into the nonsense. It's almost exclusively Republicans, so it's a bigger embarrassment for the party (had they any sense of shame left), but also for the nation.
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Nah. Not that many. Most of them know it is BS, but they want Trump, democracy (or rather, what passes for democracy in USA) be damned. Rethuglicans are wanna-be authoritarians working hard on "wanna-be" part.
 
On Twitter

Breaking News:

Thanksgiving turkey spared by President Trump at White House has now joined Rudy Giuliani's election "strike force" team.

More details to follow....
 
Election update!

President Elect Joseph Biden: 79,862,828

President Reject Donald Trump: 73,808,792

Difference: 6,054,036
 
MRC_Hans said:
And there are thousands and thousands of these cases? All in mail-in ballots? All skewing the same way?

Come on!

Hans
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I think a lot of it is a form of confirmation bias. The Republican observers are primed to see misdeeds at every turn, so they interpret things as nefarious, when in fact they are not. There are numerous complaints about this sort of thing, all from Republicans, of course, but as we've seen in a whole bunch of complaints already, they are misinterpreting, exaggerating, and distorting reality in a whole variety of ways.

One of the things that is also true is that I don't know exactly who was counting ballots down at the TCF Center in Detroit, but I do know that they live and work in Detroit. That means a large majority of them probably voted for Biden, and it's a safe bet that some of them hated Donald Trump. It's inconceivable that when surrounded by politics that no one ever gave any hint of where their personal political leanings went. Of course the counters were mostly pro-Biden, and the Republican watchers knew that, so it made them paranoid and inclined to interpret everything they said or heard in a negative light.
 
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