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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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ChrisBFRPKY said:
Ah, you see this is the danger of Liberals in the US. If they can't win by the rules, they change them so they can win or find someone that thinks likewise to do their bidding in key areas of local/state government.
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You mean like, for example, urging state legislatures to nominate a set of EC voters who will throw out the result of the popular vote and vote for the losing candidate, in violation of their own state laws? Is that the sort of thing only Liberals do?

Dave
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Ah, you see this is the danger of Liberals in the US. If they can't win by the rules, they change them so they can win or find someone that thinks likewise to do their bidding in key areas of local/state government.

Can you see how someone who thinks like this may be accused of dishonesty in elections to achieve their goals? Perhaps this best explains why 4 cities in the US may determine this election.
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I'm old enough to remember when Bush won the 2000 election with 271 to 267 Electoral votes.
I don't remember Conservatives whining that the elections had been determined by any one of the small states with 3 Electoral Votes (North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, Alaska).

Trying to find the difference between these states and the 4 cities explaining this discrepancy. :rolleyes:
 
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smartcooky said:
Nope; Trump's already thrown Faux News under the bus with the devoted followers of Dear Leader - at Trump's behest, they chanted "Fox News Sucks" a recent MAGA rally and the mini-MAGA march.
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Fox News as a whole (which he's been slowly breaking up with for over a year), and Tucker Carlson are different things. Carlson's the one who was on the phone with Trump every day, and who was involved in setting policy.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Ah, you see this is the danger of Liberals in the US. If they can't win by the rules, they change them so they can win or find someone that thinks likewise to do their bidding in key areas of local/state government.

Can you see how someone who thinks like this may be accused of dishonesty in elections to achieve their goals? Perhaps this best explains why 4 cities in the US may determine this election.
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The 4 officials at state level are not there to go through millions of votes in the state to certify them. They get a list of the counties and they go through the list and make sure every county is certified. That is it. That is the entire job. The "I can't certify this, we have to recount" job is only at the county level.
 
The Don said:
The votes which are the subject of what you describe as "the main PA case" have so far been quarantined and as a result are not included in he count.

The only way they can have an impact on the result is if they are included although any such impact would be minimal given the number of votes in question - never mind that they are likely to favour Joe Biden by a significant margin, increasing his margin of victory.

The two outcomes are therefore:

  • SCOTUS rules in favour of the Trump Campaign, the votes remain excluded and Joe Biden wins Pennsylvania by his current margin.
  • SCOTUS rules against the Trump Campaign, the votes remain excluded and Joe Biden wins Pennsylvania by a larger margin.

Uuuuuuuuuunless....

SCOTUS takes the extraordinary step of declaring that because a small number of mail in ballots have been excluded, then all mail in ballots should be excluded.
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This is likely the issue that will come up. While Justice Alito ordered PA to segregate the votes on Friday Nov 6th, the issue will be how many were segregated and how can anyone trust that PA did the right thing now. After all, without being ordered to do so, they had no intention of separating ballots. Who can say the exact number of ballots in question. A corrupt official need only say "Sure we complied with the Court's order and we only saw 3 ballots that came in late. OK we'll throw those out, they were all Trump votes anyway."
 
Okay except here's the thing, and bear with me because I know this concept is complicated for you... "Biden won the election" is one of those "facts."

It's okay, it's okay, I know that scares you. But just keep breathing.
 
Tero said:
The 4 officials at state level are not there to go through millions of votes in the state to certify them. They get a list of the counties and they go through the list and make sure every county is certified. That is it. That is the entire job. The "I can't certify this, we have to recount" job is only at the county level.
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And if every county in not certified, should they vote to certify regardless?
There is a reason they have that job and it's not to rubber stamp inaccurate results.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Okay except here's the thing, and bear with me because I know this concept is complicated for you... "Biden won the election" is one of those "facts."

It's okay, it's okay, I know that scares you. But just keep breathing.
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A Biden Presidency will not affect me personally or financially. Allegations of corrupt elections bother me. Whoever wins is fine, winning without question is preferred.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
This is likely the issue that will come up. While Justice Alito ordered PA to segregate the votes on Friday Nov 6th, the issue will be how many were segregated and how can anyone trust that PA did the right thing now. After all, without being ordered to do so, they had no intention of separating ballots. Who can say the exact number of ballots in question. A corrupt official need only say "Sure we complied with the Court's order and we only saw 3 ballots that came in late. OK we'll throw those out, they were all Trump votes anyway."
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Did you even bother to read what I wrote ?

To repeat:

The two outcomes are therefore:
  • SCOTUS rules in favour of the Trump Campaign, the votes remain excluded and Joe Biden wins Pennsylvania by his current margin.
  • SCOTUS rules against the Trump Campaign, the votes remain excluded and Joe Biden wins Pennsylvania by a larger margin.
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If the as-yet-uncounted votes are in President Trump's favour, surely he'd want them counted. :confused:
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Allegations of corrupt elections bother me.
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Allegations without evidence, indeed allegations that have been debunked to "Water is dry, fire is cold" levels of not true, should not bother you and if they do it's for an ulterior motive. You pretending otherwise is intellectually and morally dishonest. And hilariously obvious to all outside observers.
 
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Firestone said:
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I'm old enough to remember when Bush won the 2000 election with 271 to 267 Electoral votes.
I don't remember Conservatives whining that the elections had been determined by any one of the small states with 3 Electoral Votes (North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, Alaska).

Trying to find the difference between these states and the 4 cities explaining this discrepancy. :rolleyes:
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The appearance of impropriety in these 4 cities is due to that they are all run by Democrats and in some cases such as Philadelphia there is a proven history of election fraud.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Allegations of corrupt elections bother me.
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Allegations of crimes repeated over several months even before the alleged crime could have been committed and unsupported by any even vaguely credible evidence should bother anyone. The question is not whether you're bothered by them - literally everyone is - but why you're bothered by them.

Dave
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
The appearance of impropriety in these 4 cities is due to that they are all run by Democrats and in some cases such as Philadelphia there is a proven history of election fraud.
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Evidence for recent large scale election fraud in those cities please.
 
"Allegations" are not "evidence."

Continue to pretend otherwise Chris, it just keeps getting funnier.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
The appearance of impropriety in these 4 cities is due to that they are all run by Democrats and in some cases such as Philadelphia there is a proven history of election fraud.
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I'm quite sure there must be some factual, verifiable, easy to see, difference between the four cities and the five states.

But what could it be? If only there was some long history in the US of trying to disenfranchise "certain" people, that might give us a clue.
 
There's also the simple, basic, like amoeba level pattern recognition required to notice that all the actual cases of screwing with the election are coming from one specific side.
 
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