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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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ChrisBFRPKY said:
Newsflash:

The main PA case has been in the SCOTUS since before the election....
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There reportedly are about 9,000 ballets that arrived after Nov. 3. Biden leads by almost 82,000 votes (and the publicly released results might not include the 9,000 late arriving ballets). My uneducated prediction is that the SCOTUS will punt on this case so as not to set any sort of precedent because it will not effect whose electors are appointed.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Desperate ploy? After a quick review it looks to me that I pointed out a few things some seem to be missing. Things like you don't get to the SCOTUS by winning cases in lower courts etc. (I'm not sure how anyone could miss something as basic) I don't know the outcome of any such actions but I don't think it wise to dismiss them prematurely. Of course you can simply not talk about them and hope they go away.
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You also don't get to SCOTUS by filing cases with no merit.

If you think Rudy et al. are filing stupid cases so they can lose them on purpose and therefore get to SCOTUS, you may be right, but only because Rudy et al. are batcrap insane.

There's no chance in hell SCOTUS will give this election, or even PA, to Trump.
 
I doubt the Supreme Court will take up any of these cases. If there's one precedent that Roberts probably doesn't want to set it's that you can get the courts to overturn election results that you don't like. I suspect most of the justices understand the damage that would be done to the country and the Court if they and not the voters pick the next president.
 
Craig4 said:
I doubt the Supreme Court will take up any of these cases. If there's one precedent that Roberts probably doesn't want to set it's that you can get the courts to overturn election results that you don't like. I suspect most of the justices understand the damage that would be done to the country and the Court if they and not the voters pick the next president.
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Yes, it's pretty certain they won't touch the steaming pile that Trump is generating. The election isn't even close. Why would they interfere?
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Sure, it's the one that's still before the SCOTUS about the mail in ballot deadline in PA.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/su...l-in-ballot-deadline-extension-after-election

"The court's refusal to issue a fast-track decision does not mean it won't rule in the case. The petition asking for the court's review remains before the justices.
Therefore, the move sets up a scenario where the U.S. Supreme Court could step in to overturn the ballot extension, which was issued by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court in a ruling that essentially changed state election law, and void votes after they have been cast in a state that has the potential to decide the presidential election. "
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Even if the SCOTUS ruled the extension was unlawful it would not make the election results void or even have those votes voided. The SCOTUS has already ruled that a person can’t be disenfranchised if they followed a state’s instructions even if the instructions are wrong or unlawful.
 
eerok said:
It's over for Trump in PA. He lost there, and he lost the presidency.
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Not according to his crack legal team:

The Trump campaign's lawyers said in a statement that they are "thankful" to the judge who dismissed their Pennsylvania campaign lawsuit in a scathing opinion on Saturday.

Judge Matthew Brann threw out the lawsuit and said it was attempting to disenfranchise 7 million people without providing any good reason to do so.

Rudy Giuliani and Jenna Ellis said the decision "turns out to help us in our strategy to get expeditiously to the US Supreme Court."
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https://news.yahoo.com/trump-campaigns-lawyers-said-thankful-041328497.html
 
President Trump's legal team's opinion seems to run counter to that of other commentators. Are they wrong/delusional, are they just being optimistic or do they know something that the other commentators don't (like have they been tipped the wink by five or more members of SCOTUS so they know it's in the bag ?
 
The Don said:
President Trump's legal team's opinion seems to run counter to that of other commentators. Are they wrong/delusional, are they just being optimistic or do they know something that the other commentators don't (like have they been tipped the wink by five or more members of SCOTUS so they know it's in the bag ?
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If they did, you think they would have appealed by now.
 
The Don said:
President Trump's legal team's opinion seems to run counter to that of other commentators. Are they wrong/delusional, are they just being optimistic or do they know something that the other commentators don't (like have they been tipped the wink by five or more members of SCOTUS so they know it's in the bag ?
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I don't think they know something that the other commentators don't.

So far they have mostly shown they are wrong/delusional.

And they can't just jump to the Supreme Court. It has been discussed previously, that appellate courts take up matters of law, not so much matters of fact. I'm not sure a circuit court would even hear an appeal.
 
The Don said:
President Trump's legal team's opinion seems to run counter to that of other commentators. Are they wrong/delusional, are they just being optimistic or do they know something that the other commentators don't (like have they been tipped the wink by five or more members of SCOTUS so they know it's in the bag ?
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I actually think it's none of the above. I think everything they're doing is just for show, so they can tell their core believers that it's all still in doubt, they may still pull it out if they get enough donations. They want to give the minions false hope so they can bleed every last possible dollar out of them. As with so many things associated with Mr. Trump, it's all about the money, nothing more.
 
Stellafane said:
I actually think it's none of the above. I think everything they're doing is just for show, so they can tell their core believers that it's all still in doubt, they may still pull it out if they get enough donations. They want to give the minions false hope so they can bleed every last possible dollar out of them. As with so many things associated with Mr. Trump, it's all about the money, nothing more.
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So here we are, trying to figure out just what sort of ridiculous scam is going on.

Is it bilking money out of donors?
Trying to pull a coup?
A legal team playing on their client's stupidity to bilk him out of legal fees?
Some sort of political manipulation that might help them in future elections?


One thing we can be certain of is that it's dishonest and disgusting.
 
Meadmaker said:
So here we are, trying to figure out just what sort of ridiculous scam is going on.

Is it bilking money out of donors?
Trying to pull a coup?
A legal team playing on their client's stupidity to bilk him out of legal fees?
Some sort of political manipulation that might help them in future elections?


One thing we can be certain of is that it's dishonest and disgusting.
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I'd bet it's just Trump doing what he has done all his life: just trying to bully what he wants through. Entitlement mentality is a persistent thing
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Desperate ploy? After a quick review it looks to me that I pointed out a few things some seem to be missing. Things like you don't get to the SCOTUS by winning cases in lower courts etc. (I'm not sure how anyone could miss something as basic) I don't know the outcome of any such actions but I don't think it wise to dismiss them prematurely. Of course you can simply not talk about them and hope they go away.
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No, that’s wrong. You get to the SC by winning at least some cases so that there’s some valid legal arguments the SC would want to hear. Losing patently ridiculous lawsuits devoid of any legal merit that get tossed with prejudice repeatedly across the country is how you get the SC to decline hearing the case.

I don’t think it’s wise to get invested in this at all. And I hope they don’t go away. I think this is hurting them in the GA run offs and I hope the type of character and pathetic cowardice displayed by Trump and his legal team continues to be the face of the GOP for years to come.
 
So, Rudy has suggested cutting the head off the democratic leadership. Yes, this is definitely a sane individual.

"Somehow the Democrat party was hijacked by Clinton and since then has gotten more corrupt and more corrupt and more corrupt. Somebody better cut their head off."
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Jesus christ.
 
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