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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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ChrisBFRPKY said:
Sure, it's the one that's still before the SCOTUS about the mail in ballot deadline in PA.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/su...l-in-ballot-deadline-extension-after-election

"The court's refusal to issue a fast-track decision does not mean it won't rule in the case. The petition asking for the court's review remains before the justices.
Therefore, the move sets up a scenario where the U.S. Supreme Court could step in to overturn the ballot extension, which was issued by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court in a ruling that essentially changed state election law, and void votes after they have been cast in a state that has the potential to decide the presidential election. "
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AFAIU those votes were already quarantined and not part of the final count as of yet.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Since you mentioned Pennsylvania, I expect that case to be one of the easiest to win for the Trump legal team. The mail in votes that were received after the old deadline will likely be thrown out. Whether it will be enough to overturn the election I don't know.
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Are you talking about the votes that have been kept separate and not included in the tallies, that the Trump campaign want to prevent from being included? If so, then I strongly suspect that excluding them from the result will have no effect on the result that's already been determined with them excluded. But no doubt Trump hasn't grasped that subtle point yet.

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ChrisBFRPKY said:
No, I'm asking you if you agree that nobody is above the law. Not limited to President Trump only. Your wording specified Trump, my wording specifies everyone.
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Of course no one is above the law.

On that note, I look forward to your enthusiastic and vocal support of investigations into Trump.
 
acbytesla said:
It's one desperate ploy after another.
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Desperate ploy? After a quick review it looks to me that I pointed out a few things some seem to be missing. Things like you don't get to the SCOTUS by winning cases in lower courts etc. (I'm not sure how anyone could miss something as basic) I don't know the outcome of any such actions but I don't think it wise to dismiss them prematurely. Of course you can simply not talk about them and hope they go away.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Desperate ploy? After a quick review it looks to me that I pointed out a few things some seem to be missing. Things like you don't get to the SCOTUS by winning cases in lower courts etc. (I'm not sure how anyone could miss something as basic) I don't know the outcome of any such actions but I don't think it wise to dismiss them prematurely. Of course you can simply not talk about them and hope they go away.
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Please cite the legal standing for appeal that Republicans or the Trump campaign has for any of their dismissed court cases.
 
BobTheCoward said:
They are experts in what will be the outcome of a legal decision. They are not experts to what the law outside of legal questions.
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But your question is regarding whether something is legal or not, which is something that's determined by said supreme court. Whether or not you disagree with their reasoning is irrelevant as to the fact that they decide what is and isn't legal or unconstitutional.

The burden is upon you, not anyone else, to argue that their arguments, reasoning or conclusions are faulty.
 
Infighting can be nastier than "outfighting". I enjoy that Republicans are becoming a focus of Trump's extended Festivus celebration. I expect this to amp up as more Republicans acknowledge the election results. While he attempts to destroy US democracy, he's also destroying the republican party. The glass may not be half full, but nor is it empty.
 
kookbreaker said:
The PA Supreme Court referenced the relevant section of the PA constitution during a case regarding act 77 earlier this year. They said nothing about the act being unconstitutional.

They obviously disagree with your assessment.
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Let me try this again. I asked how something works. And you responded by telling me they reached a conclusion how it works. I get that. My question remains. How? How did they reach that conclusion?
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Newsflash:

The main PA case has been in the SCOTUS since before the election....
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You know that on November 16th the SCOTUS didn't take up the petition to toss out ballots that came in after November 3rd. Even if that case is later reviewed it won't be enough votes to change the results.

https://www.usnews.com/news/electio...-to-take-up-pennsylvania-absentee-ballot-case

You do realize that there are no pending court cases that could stop Pennsylvania from certify the results tomorrow right?
 
BobTheCoward said:
Let me try this again. I asked how something works. And you responded by telling me they reached a conclusion how it works. I get that. My question remains. How? How did they reach that conclusion?
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Have you tried contacting the Pennsylvania Supreme Court and asked them to send you copies of the relevant court documents?
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
Yes. I previously gave a list of 10 reasons Trump is doing all of this which don't include an attempted coup or even an actual attempt to overturn the election. I should have included one more:

11. Payback for the Russia investigation. He feels that delegitimized or diminished his election. Even though it was from his own doing he feels like he was punched and now wants to punch back twice as hard. If he couldn't bask in the untainted glory of victory, then he won't allow Biden to do so either.

That's why he is filing meritless lawsuits and paying for recounts that won't matter. He gets to at least keep Biden from being celebrated as the victor for a while and smear his accomplishment with the blemish of inquisition of fraud.

"It's not questionable whether I legitimately won an election, it's questionable whether you legitimately won an election."
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You can't have a list of eleven. It's not done. Either add another or take away one.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Newsflash:

The main PA case has been in the SCOTUS since before the election....
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The votes which are the subject of what you describe as "the main PA case" have so far been quarantined and as a result are not included in he count.

The only way they can have an impact on the result is if they are included although any such impact would be minimal given the number of votes in question - never mind that they are likely to favour Joe Biden by a significant margin, increasing his margin of victory.

The two outcomes are therefore:

  • SCOTUS rules in favour of the Trump Campaign, the votes remain excluded and Joe Biden wins Pennsylvania by his current margin.
  • SCOTUS rules against the Trump Campaign, the votes remain excluded and Joe Biden wins Pennsylvania by a larger margin.

Uuuuuuuuuunless....

SCOTUS takes the extraordinary step of declaring that because a small number of mail in ballots have been excluded, then all mail in ballots should be excluded.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
That's an interesting way of looking at it. Though any case is up for an appeal if new evidence becomes available. It really doesn't matter if the judge made any mistakes or not.

Consider this: How do you get to the Supreme Court of the US? Do you get there by winning cases in lower courts? No.

There must be a strategy for making your case heard before the Supreme Court of the US. Losing cases in the lower courts would be the only path of doing so. While the media promotes the Trump election case losses of the lower courts as a victory for Biden every time, they fail to mention it would likely be the strategy of the Trump legal team to have those losses if SCOTUS was the end goal.
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Um, you also get to the Supreme Court if you win and the other side keeps appealing, don't you?
 
The Don said:
The votes which are the subject of what you describe as "the main PA case" have so far been quarantined and as a result are not included in he count.

The only way they can have an impact on the result is if they are included although any such impact would be minimal given the number of votes in question - never mind that they are likely to favour Joe Biden by a significant margin, increasing his margin of victory.

The two outcomes are therefore:

  • SCOTUS rules in favour of the Trump Campaign, the votes remain excluded and Joe Biden wins Pennsylvania by his current margin.
  • SCOTUS rules against the Trump Campaign, the votes remain excluded and Joe Biden wins Pennsylvania by a larger margin.

Uuuuuuuuuunless....

SCOTUS takes the extraordinary step of declaring that because a small number of mail in ballots have been excluded, then all mail in ballots should be excluded.
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At which moment the USA ceases to be a democracy and secession or civil war stop being hyperbole.
 
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