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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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GOP just lost another case in Georgia. To be fair, it wasn't actually Trump bringing the suit, it was one of the people that would have been an elector. His claim is apparently that he was harmed because his candidate didn't win and therefore he wouldn't be allowed to vote for him in the EC.

The star witness was a GOP activist who testified that the vote totals from a retirement village "didn't seem right" to her. Any evidence they were wrong? No, it was just weird. She can't believe that Biden would get more votes than Trump in that group.

Of course, the case never came close. It was immediately thrown out because the plaintiff lacked standing. Oh, and there were no merits to the arguments, either.

And, finally, it was a Trump-appointed judge.
 
Meadmaker said:
I see what you mean. Rudy declares that the results weren't certified, and they try to get the Republican controlled legislature to declare that since the Wayne County board didn't certify the results, it's up to the legislature - of course without inclusion of the governor, and ----------------------- this is completely nuts.

It still ends up in court, but you're right.

These people are shameless. And dangerous.

Maybe it really is time to buy some ammo for all those guns I own. (I own nine guns. No bullets.)


Seriously, I think all of this is simply nuts and the only real effect will be a lot of money flowing to lawyers, and ad revenue for news stations, and when all is said and done, Joe Biden steps up January 20.

Because, any other scenario is too scary to contemplate.
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No worry, trust the system.


Justice shall prevail
 
pgwenthold said:
They also lost a case in Arizona today, but I don't remember details.
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I posted the details in the 2020 election thread. It was not alleging fraud so I put it there. The AZ GOP wanted to do an audit by precinct instead of vote center in Maricopa Co. Not only did the judge throw it out he encouraged the Secretary of State to go after legal fees.
 
Paul2 said:
Contested by who? The members of the state board of canvassers? One of the candidates? I suppose it would be absurd that a candidate could contest it and then the legislature would decide. But then, "contested" is an unusual word: would a 3-1 vote in favor of certification be contested? Does it have to be a tie vote? If it's a tie vote, then why is the word "contested" used when that same section uses the word "tie" to refer to a tie vote of the people?

This is why lawyers are needed to interpret the verbiage.
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Well, it does seem a bit odd and not really clear. An election can be contested to the state legislature. The Michigan constitution provides that the legislature is the judge of elections of its own members. However, the Michigan Supreme Court appears to have interpreted this to extend to all elections in the state. The situation outlined in this law is where the state board has certified a winner but that determination is contested in the legislature, which means a joint session of congress makes the determination.

Any action by the state board must have a "concurrence of at least 1 member of each major political party appointed to the board." (MCL 168.22d(2)).

However, I can't see anything in the law that establishes what happens in an election if the board does not reach a determination. Maybe it goes to the courts. Maybe it goes to the legislature. I'm not sure.
 
Bubba said:
It looks like Sidney Powell wasn't kidding abut releasing the Kraken...

She has affidavits, witnesses, documents...proving massive vote flipping by Smartmatic software, specifically designed to steal elections.

Trump won "by a landslide", so the crooks had to stop the counting, in order to re program the machines....That was the give-away because an operator knew what they were doing, and blew the whistle, thankfully.

Honest patriotic Smartmatic and Dominion employees have already stepped forward as witnesses. Powell is calling for more to do the same.

Thank goodness ! All skeptics all want clean fair elections !!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGV3YRTSolY
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I'm beginning to think that anyone who makes unproven election fraud remarks in the media should be susceptible to criminal and/or punitive damages.
 
Bubba said:
It looks like Sidney Powell wasn't kidding abut releasing the Kraken...

She has affidavits, witnesses, documents...proving massive vote flipping by Smartmatic software, specifically designed to steal elections.

Trump won "by a landslide", so the crooks had to stop the counting, in order to re program the machines....That was the give-away because an operator knew what they were doing, and blew the whistle, thankfully.

Honest patriotic Smartmatic and Dominion employees have already stepped forward as witnesses. Powell is calling for more to do the same.

Thank goodness ! All skeptics all want clean fair elections !!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGV3YRTSolY
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It's weird how after all those shenanigans, the hand count in Georgia matched the machine count, except for one batch of ballots that I don't think anyone is blaming on Dominion software.



Anyway, I started this thread with the idea that there would be evidence presented of election rigging, and this would be a place where we would analyze that evidence and debunk it So far, though, I haven't seen anything worth debunking since day 1 and Benford's Law.

I don't care to sit through their entire presentation to see if there was any actual evidence worthy of analysis, but if anyone can point me to the meat of their claims, I would take a look. I skipped to one point where Powell said they had statistical proof that the vote totals were fraudulent, but I didn't see the actual statistics, so I can't really pay much attention to that.

Special note to Bubba - "I wanted to get closer but they wouldn't let me." is not evidence worthy of analysis. Nor is, "Dominion has foreigners working for them and Hugo Chavez used them to cheat."
 
Meadmaker said:
It's weird how after all those shenanigans, the hand count in Georgia matched the machine count, except for one batch of ballots that I don't think anyone is blaming on Dominion software.



Anyway, I started this thread with the idea that there would be evidence presented of election rigging, and this would be a place where we would analyze that evidence and debunk it So far, though, I haven't seen anything worth debunking since day 1 and Benford's Law.

I don't care to sit through their entire presentation to see if there was any actual evidence worthy of analysis, but if anyone can point me to the meat of their claims, I would take a look. I skipped to one point where Powell said they had statistical proof that the vote totals were fraudulent, but I didn't see the actual statistics, so I can't really pay much attention to that.

Special note to Bubba - "I wanted to get closer but they wouldn't let me." is not evidence worthy of analysis. Nor is, "Dominion has foreigners working for them and Hugo Chavez used them to cheat."
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Neat trick - he died in 2013.
 
Pre-judging before evidence is seen, much??


Meadmaker said:
Anyway, I started this thread with the idea that there would be evidence presented of election rigging, and this would be a place where we would analyze that evidence and debunk it
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Sounds like Sidney Powell will grant your wish to see evidence of election rigging, any day now.

Debunking it might be less easy.
 
Bubba said:
Sounds like Sidney Powell will grant your wish to see evidence of election rigging, any day now.

Debunking it might be less easy.
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Might be. To tell the truth, though, I'm guessing that if she had it, we would have seen it. I think seeing it might be more difficult than debunking it.
 
slyjoe said:
Neat trick - he died in 2013.
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Yeah, but how many times has he voted since then? In Michigan.



(I did hear people talking about Hugo Chavez in connection with Dominion, but I didn't pay any attention to what they were saying. Somehow Venezuelans and Chinese are responsible for something, so Trump wins.)
 
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pgwenthold said:
GOP just lost another case in Georgia. To be fair, it wasn't actually Trump bringing the suit, it was one of the people that would have been an elector.
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That's Lin Wood. What a nut. Note that it appears that he is an "elector" in the sense of someone who voted in the election, not a Presidential elector.
 
Meadmaker said:
(I did hear people talking about Hugo Chavez in connection with Dominion, but I didn't pay any attention to what they were saying. Somehow Venezuelans and Chinese are responsible for something, so Trump wins.)
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Yeah, you heard Leakin' Looney Ghooliani making that baseless claim. He also added a little Soros for extra crazy.
 
Bubba said:
Pre-judging before evidence is seen, much??






Sounds like Sidney Powell will grant your wish to see evidence of election rigging, any day now.

Debunking it might be less easy.
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In the days leading up to Nov 3 in 2016 a lot of Dems had to brace themselves for the possibility that Trump would be president for the next 4 years. They had to do the same again in 2020.

Of course by that same token there was a possibility that Trump could lose. Has that occurred to you? That he might lose?

You don’t seem prepared for that
 
Bubba said:
Pre-judging before evidence is seen, much??






Sounds like Sidney Powell will grant your wish to see evidence of election rigging, any day now.

Debunking it might be less easy.
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I'm sure the Trump Campaign will be rushing this evidence into the courtroom immediately!
 
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