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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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Disbelief said:
The auditors who held up the certification are Wayne County certifiers, now it goes to the state level. It still appears to only be a formality and the votes will be certified.

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/michigan-gop-canvassers-under-pressure-ignore-votes-help-trump
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That's promising.

StillSleepy said:
The Republican Majority Leader of the Michigan Senate and Republican Speaker of the Michigan House are set to meet with Trump at the White House tomorrow (Friday). [The Detroit News]
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That's disturbing.

I picked the wrong week to quit drinking.
 
Stacyhs said:
Trump never bothered to call Gretchen Whitmer and check to see if she was safe when there was an actual plan to kidnap and execute her. I wonder if these 'threats' against Palmer were as 'horrible' as the one against Palmer's daughter that turned out to be no threat at all unless edited by a dishonest scumbag.
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If there were threats, can we assume they are already in the hands of law enforcement?
 
eerok said:
That's disturbing.
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Take heart in the Trump campaign's shaky grasp of what constitutes "evidence." But then, legalities may not matter if he can get a new slate of electors seated. I'm agnostic on the possibility.

These claims are a masterful way of dominating the news cycle. Therefore, this maneuver can't be coming from Democrats.
 
Meadmaker said:
According to her, yes. She says she was reporting the threats she received to local law enforcement.
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I hope it's discovered that the "threats" are coming from St. Petersburg - and I don't mean the one in Michigan.

ETA: Interesting that Palmer and Hartmann have given different answers on why they voted to certify.

The board giveth, and the board taketh away.
 
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Minoosh said:
I hope it's discovered that the "threats" are coming from St. Petersburg - and I don't mean the one in Michigan.
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"Yes, Officer! And they said, 'You had better be careful, Tavarich! I don't know why they thought my name was Tavarich.' "



In all seriousness, doxxing and threats shouldn't be tolerated, and I'm glad she's reporting them. People really need to get a grip on what is and isn't acceptable.
 
And now, today, lawyers for Trump have dropped the Western District lawsuit in Michigan, saying there was no need for it since the Wayne County votes were rejected by the Board of Canvassers. They did this this morning, after all the drama. So, they know that the board voted once, and deadlocked, then voted again, and accepted, and then two members filed affidavits (with whom? I wonder how you go about filing an affidavit for something that isn't a court case?) saying they wanted to rescind their votes.

Somehow, in Rudy's mind, that equals Wayne County didn't certify.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...ty-didnt-certify-election-results/3776459001/

I don't know where he thinks he's going with this, but he clearly thinks he has better chances in court than anywhere else. We'll just have to wait and see which court and what he says.
 
Meadmaker said:
And now, today, lawyers for Trump have dropped the Western District lawsuit in Michigan, saying there was no need for it since the Wayne County votes were rejected by the Board of Canvassers. They did this this morning, after all the drama. So, they know that the board voted once, and deadlocked, then voted again, and accepted, and then two members filed affidavits (with whom? I wonder how you go about filing an affidavit for something that isn't a court case?) saying they wanted to rescind their votes.

Somehow, in Rudy's mind, that equals Wayne County didn't certify.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...ty-didnt-certify-election-results/3776459001/

I don't know where he thinks he's going with this, but he clearly thinks he has better chances in court than anywhere else. We'll just have to wait and see which court and what he says.
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Oh no no no. They know they don't have chance in hell in court. That's why he called the leaders of the legislature - he needs them to cooperate. It has to be done politically because there are no legal grounds, and they know it.
 
pgwenthold said:
Oh no no no. They know they don't have chance in hell in court. That's why he called the leaders of the legislature - he needs them to cooperate. It has to be done politically because there are no legal grounds, and they know it.
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I see what you mean. Rudy declares that the results weren't certified, and they try to get the Republican controlled legislature to declare that since the Wayne County board didn't certify the results, it's up to the legislature - of course without inclusion of the governor, and ----------------------- this is completely nuts.

It still ends up in court, but you're right.

These people are shameless. And dangerous.

Maybe it really is time to buy some ammo for all those guns I own. (I own nine guns. No bullets.)


Seriously, I think all of this is simply nuts and the only real effect will be a lot of money flowing to lawyers, and ad revenue for news stations, and when all is said and done, Joe Biden steps up January 20.

Because, any other scenario is too scary to contemplate.
 
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Minoosh said:
If there were threats, can we assume they are already in the hands of law enforcement?
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From the article posted earlier:

Palmer earlier told the Free Press her family had "received multiple threats." "The threats have been made against myself, my daughter and my husband," she said. "Reports have been filed with Grosse Pointe Woods police and the FBI."

Ryan Jarvi, a spokesman for Attorney General Dana Nessel, said her office had not received a referral about such threats from a police agency, but would act quickly if such a referral is made.
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Meadmaker said:
As I understand it, no. I think the Board of State Canvassers have to vote first.

I don't know what happens if they don't reach an agreement. I'll see if I can find the answer.
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It goes to a joint session of the state legislature (MCL 168.846).

In case 2 or more persons have an equal and the highest number of votes for any office, as canvassed by the board of state canvassers, the board of state canvassers shall certify the result of the canvass as to such office to the legislature and the legislature in joint convention shall choose 1 of said persons to fill such office. When the determination of the board of state canvassers is contested, the legislature in joint convention shall decide which person is elected.
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Meadmaker said:
I've seen news articles that say the Board of State Canvassers is required by law to certify the election by November 23, which is Monday. I haven't seen any reference to what happens if they don't.
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They have to meet on November 23, but they can put off the decision until 40 days after the election, which would be December 13, the day before the meeting of electors (MCL 168.842(1)).

The board has power to adjourn from time to time to await the receipt or correction of returns, or for other necessary purposes, but shall complete the canvass and announce their determination not later than the fortieth day after the election.
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DevilsAdvocate said:
It goes to a joint session of the state legislature (MCL 168.846).
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Contested by who? The members of the state board of canvassers? One of the candidates? I suppose it would be absurd that a candidate could contest it and then the legislature would decide. But then, "contested" is an unusual word: would a 3-1 vote in favor of certification be contested? Does it have to be a tie vote? If it's a tie vote, then why is the word "contested" used when that same section uses the word "tie" to refer to a tie vote of the people?

This is why lawyers are needed to interpret the verbiage.
 
Meadmaker said:
And now, today, lawyers for Trump have dropped the Western District lawsuit in Michigan, saying there was no need for it since the Wayne County votes were rejected by the Board of Canvassers. They did this this morning, after all the drama. So, they know that the board voted once, and deadlocked, then voted again, and accepted, and then two members filed affidavits (with whom? I wonder how you go about filing an affidavit for something that isn't a court case?) saying they wanted to rescind their votes.

Somehow, in Rudy's mind, that equals Wayne County didn't certify.
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I mentioned this discrepancy in another thread. They can't manage a 3-sentence filing without telling one glaring lie, at least of omission.

Changing the narrative.
 
It looks like Sidney Powell wasn't kidding abut releasing the Kraken...

She has affidavits, witnesses, documents...proving massive vote flipping by Smartmatic software, specifically designed to steal elections.

Trump won "by a landslide", so the crooks had to stop the counting, in order to re program the machines....That was the give-away because an operator knew what they were doing, and blew the whistle, thankfully.

Honest patriotic Smartmatic and Dominion employees have already stepped forward as witnesses. Powell is calling for more to do the same.

Thank goodness ! All skeptics all want clean fair elections !!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGV3YRTSolY
 
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