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Horatius said:
The problem with that is, Fox viewers don't "divorce the news part from the opinion part". If they hear it on Fox, it's gospel truth to them, no matter whose mouth it comes out of.
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that's exactly the point, and they have a much bigger market share than anyone else. if they're not technically part of the mainstream media, despite having a huge footprint in it, the definition of mainstream media is stupid to not include them. it doesn't get much more mainstream than one of the most viewed media networks on the planet
 
Ambrosia said:
You need to divorce the news part from the opinion part.

News channels have 2 sorts of programming. They have the actual news bulletins, where a news anchor at a desk reads out the stories of the day with reporters on the ground fleshing out those stories on location.

Thats the smaller fraction of their programming.

Then there is the opinion shows. A rotating cast of talking heads offer their opinions about the stories of the day, and those opinions are routinely coloured by the editorial bias of the channel in question.
Of all the 24 hour news channels, none is more biased in it's opinions than Fox.

Fox News, the actual news part is usually reasonably accurate. The news is covered by all of the media so they tend to stick to the accepted facts for their news bulletins. Every so often you'll see something like Fox calling Arizona for Biden for example.

Fox News opinion shows frequently make **** up. They make **** up because it lets them get lots of viewers and no other mainstream news channel goes after the right wing viewers.

See this recent case about Tucker Carlson


They stick closer to the facts for their bulletins to make their opinion content appear more credible. If they made **** up about the actual news, stories that were very easy to show were utterly false then that would turn viewers off the channel as a whole.

All Fox cares about is market share and making money. No more, no less. Like them or not they are certainly very good at that.

They have a big market share because they pander to the right wing nut job market share that noone else wants to go for.

Their market share has no bearing on the accuracy or veracity of either their news bulletins or their opinion shows.
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did you think i was trying to defend fox news as a reputable news outlet? i feel like trying to point out that they're not technically "news" but "media" kind of misses the point that they're a huge, huge mainstream source of information that reaches tens of millions of people's homes and they're putting out wild conspiracy theories about the election.

i think trying to protect the sanctity of the definition of mainstream media by excluding them ignores the fact that they dominate the conversation of what the truth of the news is in the minds of a huge chunk of the US.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Rudy says

"It changes the result of the election in Michigan if you take out Wayne County"

That's hows it works dumbass. You can't take out Wayne County because they voted against you.

"Your question is fundamentally flawed, when you're asking, 'where's the evidence?' You clearly don't understand the legal process"

Huh? So you're saying court decisions aren't based on evidence?

"You're a totally discourteous person" -- Giuliani gets mad at a reporter who asks why so many lawsuits brought by the Trump campaign have been dropped.

And you sir, are lying douchebag.

"In the middle of the night, after they've supposedly stop counting, and that's when the Dominion operators went in and injected votes"

:rolleyes: Sure they did. And did you pull that turd out your ass or President Reject's?

"The recount in Georgia will tell us nothing because these fraudulent ballots will just be counted again."

Rudy actually means The recount in Georgia will tell us nothing because these Biden ballots will just be counted again
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A little commentary.
 
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it's amazing that he said all that while his shoe polish black hair dye was dripping down his face
 
A fly landed on Mike Pence and wouldn't go away. Black slime is oozing down Rudy's face.

If this were the middle ages, that would be enough for a witchcraft conviction.

Say.....has anyone noticed we've never seen Trump and Satan in the same picture?
 
Meadmaker said:
A fly landed on Mike Pence and wouldn't go away. Black slime is oozing down Rudy's face.

If this were the middle ages, that would be enough for a witchcraft conviction.

Say.....has anyone noticed we've never seen Trump and Satan in the same picture?
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My old man likes to point out that in the Bible, the Devil is referred to as the Father of all Lies and that Trump is also a father of quite a few lies. (something to that effect)
 
dirtywick said:
it's amazing that he said all that while his shoe polish black hair dye was dripping down his face
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Looks more like he used some manure he picked up at Four Seasons Landscaping.

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gnome said:
I honestly think most election manipulation beyond petty locals trying to pull a fast one, is not in voter fraud itself. I've said the analogy before, it's like trying to embezzle money by sending people to rob the tellers of a bank you partly own. A lot of risk for not very much reward. There are way better plays.
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Most major bank or jewellery robberies are suspected insider jobs - they are often assisted and helped by those who work there. If this is the MO for robbers then maybe...just maybe...given Trump judges others by his own standards...Trump had a clever idea to embed some 'rigged' ballots in the systems so that in the event he lost, he could get his lawyers to go find those rigged ballots that he himself via insiders planted.

There is a bunch of rigged ballots waiting to be discovered in a Trump sting.
 
What happens now in Michigan?

Biden won the election in Michigan by a 155,629 votes. They did that on the strength of Wayne County where Biden won 2 to 1. The Elections Board there made up of 2 Democrats and 2 Republicans originally were deadlocked on certifying the election. An hour and a half later the Republican members of the board agreed to certify the election. Then overnight after receiving calls from Trump they rescinded their votes. However, there is no legal avenue to do this, so their certification stands.

Now, it goes to the State board also made up of two Democrats and two Republicans to certify the election. This is usually a formality. But given the insane nature of politics in the Trump era anything can happen.

So what's going to?
 
acbytesla said:
Biden won the election in Michigan by a 155,629 votes. They did that on the strength of Wayne County where Biden won 2 to 1. The Elections Board there made up of 2 Democrats and 2 Republicans originally were deadlocked on certifying the election. An hour and a half later the Republican members of the board agreed to certify the election. Then overnight after receiving calls from Trump they rescinded their votes. However, there is no legal avenue to do this, so their certification stands.

Now, it goes to the State board also made up of two Democrats and two Republicans to certify the election. This is usually a formality. But given the insane nature of politics in the Trump era anything can happen.

So what's going to?
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Does it count as a coup if they refuse to certify the election?
 
acbytesla said:
Biden won the election in Michigan by a 155,629 votes. They did that on the strength of Wayne County where Biden won 2 to 1. The Elections Board there made up of 2 Democrats and 2 Republicans originally were deadlocked on certifying the election. An hour and a half later the Republican members of the board agreed to certify the election. Then overnight after receiving calls from Trump they rescinded their votes. However, there is no legal avenue to do this, so their certification stands.

Now, it goes to the State board also made up of two Democrats and two Republicans to certify the election. This is usually a formality. But given the insane nature of politics in the Trump era anything can happen.

So what's going to?
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The Question is: are the Republicans on the state board flagrant, open racists like the ones in Wayne County?
 
acbytesla said:
Biden won the election in Michigan by a 155,629 votes. They did that on the strength of Wayne County where Biden won 2 to 1. The Elections Board there made up of 2 Democrats and 2 Republicans originally were deadlocked on certifying the election. An hour and a half later the Republican members of the board agreed to certify the election. Then overnight after receiving calls from Trump they rescinded their votes. However, there is no legal avenue to do this, so their certification stands.

Now, it goes to the State board also made up of two Democrats and two Republicans to certify the election. This is usually a formality. But given the insane nature of politics in the Trump era anything can happen.

So what's going to?
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What I saw in the Michigan statues is very boilerplate, with a lot of "shall"s and nothing about options to not determine who won or to not certify to the sec. of state.

But i am *so* not a lawyer.
 
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Call me crazy but I want a President where "Is he attempting a coup?" has a straight, declarative "No" answer and not one where the answer requires modifiers, asterisks, "maybes" or "well how do you define coup..."
 
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acbytesla said:
So what's going to?
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There'll be some bluster, and then the election will be certified.

Trump will be booted out in January and after he's gone he'll keep trying to stir up trouble from the sidelines.

Then his Twitter will be blocked, then he'll face a tranche of lawsuits and sooner or later, when it is politically expedient to do so, the GOP will turn on him.

He's a conman and a bully and a coward. He'll soon run out power and influence and he is already out of money. Maybe he'll avoid prison, I hope not.

The right wing nutjobs will keep simmering away in the background but their influence will gradually dwindle.

The Democrats will lose at least one of the Georgia senate runoff elections so the GOP will have a wafer thin senate majority so Biden won't get a lot done in the next couple of years.

Whether Democrats can take the senate in '22 is up in the air.

I'd like to see the right wing nationalist GOP wingnuts burnt to the ground and the republicans reinvent themselves. But I am not holding my breath.
 
Paul2 said:
What I saw in the Michigan statues is very boilerplate, with a lot of "shall"s and nothing about options to not determine who won or to not certify to the sec. of state.

But i am *so* not a lawyer.
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I just read a few articles that shows just how big a "Hail Mary" this is. The Trump team has no legal cases in Michigan at this point. They either lost them all or dropped them. They now are focused on delaying certification and getting the state legislature to pick the electors. Something the GOP leaders in Michigan have said they won't do. And yet both these leaders have accepted meetings at the White House.

They have to get not only these 2 individuals to flip on democracy but a majority of Republicans in their legislature to flip on democracy but get 2 other states to do so as well.
 
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acbytesla said:
I just read a few articles that shows just how big a "Hail Mary" this is. The Trump team has no legal cases in Michigan at this point. They either lost them all or dropped them. They now are focused on delaying certification and getting the state legislature to pick the electors. Something the GOP leaders in Michigan have said they won't do. And yet both these leaders have accepted meetings at the White House.

They have to get not only these 2 individuals to flip on democracy but a majority of Republicans in their legislature to flip on democracy but get 2 other states to do so as well.
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I presume that would still have to survive a lawsuit from the Biden campaign?
 
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