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Cont: 2020 Presidential Election part 3

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I'm totally with you, but you and I and non-Trump folk are going to have to start to figure out how to minimize the effect of all that, because it's not going away, even if [when] Trump leaves the White House on Jan 20, or even if we never hear from him again. Someone else will be there to leverage his base for themselves the way he did, and just as much damage (and quite possibly more damage) to democracy can be done. We better start figuring out how to prevent even more damage.

I await the pros and the profs to let us know what the average citizen can do.
ftfy.

He has lost. The race is not close. The Republicans are not powerful enough to overcome that.

Back to the rest: I don't know, it's not like there was another Hitler to take over his minions. Is there really anyone who can follow in Trump's shoes?

Not that the minions are going away. That's a big mess which is indeed going to be left behind to be manipulated. Not sure how that's going to turn out. None of us knows if the social media nightmare will ever go back in the bottle.
 
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Andrew Hitt
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BREAKING: WI Elections Commission, after seeing President Trump’s recount petition and objections, is trying to change the recount manual at an emergency meeting tonight at 6 pm to make objections harder to make. This must be stopped.

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Yeah, I don't really know what can be done either. I do know that this complacent "oh gosh you guys, relaaaaaax! Trump's not gonna pull off a coup!" approach isn't very helpful. My bitching isn't any more helpful, I'm sure, but at least I recognize the problem, which is more insidious than the shortsighted "relax!" response seems to think it is. That "someone else to leverage his base" in the future only has to be more competent than the Trump/Giuliani machine in using the materials at hand to do some real damage- Trump prepares the ground by making it a quicksand, and a more capable sociopath throws all of us, and our democracy, into it.
Hopefully you are not describing my very well thought out posts. :p
 
I find it hard to believe that Trump thinks he's going to remain POTUS after 12:00 noon January 20.

I'm convinced more than anything that all this stubbornness to concede is based on his need to be relevant. The moment the court cases go away, the elections become certified, the faster he becomes yesterday's news. And that drives him crazy.

But even Trump cannot stop time. Georgia is set to certify Friday. Pennsylvania on Monday. I see nothing that can stop that. I figure Trump can keep up the obstruction till maybe the 30th. Right now I see it fizzling.

If he actually gets a writ of certiorari from SCOTUS, that's when I get worried. But I don't see it happening.
 
I quite disagree. Asking, or even just suggesting, *anything* remotely resembling a coup should be met with loud, repeated denunciations from members of ALL political parties. It matters that Trump believes this possibility exists in the real world and it matters even more that his fellow party members don't have the cojones to speak out against him

ETA: I think Dr. Keith said much the same thing
The thing about a good conman, they are good at getting people to believe the con.
 
They seem to be hanging their head hat on getting the courts to flip the results in 3 States and have the courts just declare Trump to be the winner.
Giuliani openly spilled how they're really thinking of all this at The Four Seasons, when one of the reporters told him that the major TV news networks had just called the election for Biden. He did a mockery of how anybody listening to the networks was supposedly acting: he put his arms out and his face up like a person in church who thinks he's feeling/channeling The Spirit or whatever, and wailed "The networks! All the networks!..."

...then going straight into the next line without pause but this is the really crucial part...

"...Judges don't matter!"

Notice that it's not the law, or the votes, that he thinks should matter instead of the networks. It's judges. It's the same courts that the Evil Turtle has spent years packing ahead of time without most people noticing it until the last few months.

does he actually believe that he might win this? If so, he's insane. If he doesn't think he's going to win this, but is just doing this because he can, then he's an *******... And of course it could be a false dichotomy.
Plans for what to do with the next several years of your life can be a pretty sticky thing to try to let go of even when you know that what you were planning won't work, or isn't as good as an unplanned available alternative, or both.

I got a degree in one field of work (X) several years ago, didn't get a job in X after graduation, tried for a long time to come up with alternative routes to get into X, and stumbled into another field of work (Y) along the way that's working out better in some ways than X would have. Normally, I either don't think about X anymore, or think of it only as a part of my past and maybe even as something that I'm better off without, when I'm reminded of how much better my life has gotten since dropping my pursuit of X and leaning more into Y. There's just no doubt at all that Y is not only the only one of these that I really can possibly do at this point, but also the one that's just better for me anyway. And I mostly don't even think of X anymore anyway, so I know I'll never even try to get back into that again, not just because it would be a bad idea for practical reasons, but also because it just doesn't even cross my mind enough. But, the next time my official registration for X is due for renewal, there's still a feeling I can't get rid of, of wanting to pay the dues and remain registered, as if I were someday going to start trying that again.
 
27 lawsuits 27 losses

1 recount 1 loss

They seem to be hanging their head on getting the courts to flip the results in 3 States and have the courts just declare Trump to be the winner. They are asking for ridiculous remedies for unproven complaints.
Did you mean hanging their hats?

If I were to have an opinion, so rare for me, I know, I would say Trump is on the road to stall. It helps him go from his fantasy he actually won, to blaming everyone else for why he lost, to grasping at tiny straws of hope, (Fox dimwits and Giuliani are feeding straws to him), to dreaming about his network (radio or TV) with all the great ratings, to basking in the light of all those Republicans he has conned, to lashing out at any betrayers, firing them, to plotting to stay on long enough to control the vaccine roll out so he can get even with even more enemies .....

I think when one is in a manic state that's about how things go in between bouts of depression and self-loathing.
 
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How are attempting to overturn a legitimate election and increasing his potential talk show audience mutually exclusive?
They are not.

Is this a discussion again about what the definition of is is?

He fantasizes about overturning the election. Doesn't raise his fantasy up into the real world.

I fantasize about winning the lottery. Fantasizing doesn't increase my odds more than the ticket I buy does. It's highly unlikely I will win the lottery.
 
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Oh, you are now floating the idea that he isn't seriously trying to overturn the election? It's just a publicity stunt now? Or maybe we are just being punked! LOL! Stoopid libs getting all bent out of shape about the democratic process. LOL! What a bunch of saddoes, eh!

I don't think "publicity stunt" adequately describes what Trump is doing. That suggests he's a clever genius planning all this out.

He is a seriously pathologic narcissist. Everything flows from there.
 
Remember when Trump and his toadies said talk about the pandemic would cease on Nov. 4? Obviously, that didn't happen. But talk about one thing has completely disappeared: Hunter Biden's laptop. Oh, I think Goober Graham said something about continuing the investigation but nobody really gives a flying fig anymore.

It sure disappeared from Taibbi's and Greenwald's twitter streams immediately after election day... after pounding on it non-stop for a solid week before. Strange.
 
What makes you think one has to be a genius to ignite a coup? Apparently, you don't need to be a genius to increase a small fortune by several orders of magnitude, or complete massive real estate projects in the most competitive market on earth, or lead a dumb TV show into a runaway hit, or cultivate a huge mass following- including some of the most famous people in the world, or be elected to the highest office in the most powerful nation on the planet.

I don't think this Jackass is going to be able extend his stay in the White house, but I do believe he is trying to. When he concedes, congratulates Biden and shuffles off, it will be because his best efforts at stealing power have failed.
There is no evidence said coup is materializing.

He will never concede or congratulate Biden.

I'm not sure after 4 years of Trump never becoming Presidential that people understand what is going on here.
 
What I picture, is that Trump probably imagined that after election day, it was going to be all victory celebrations and rallies of fans cheering him on.
He thought it was going to be 2 1/2 months of parties and rubbing Democrats noses in their loss.

Then Biden spoiled things, so out of sheer pettiness, he's going to do everything he can to spoil Biden's victory.
That would probably be true even had Biden pulled ahead on Nov 3 and stayed there.

Believing he had won only to find out he hadn't surely caused serious trauma in Trump's diseased mind.
 
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Sean Hannity has Ronna McDaniel on to talk about voter fraud, or Laura Ingraham has a "whistleblower" on air and has Ron DeSantis on air to talk about legislature's overturning the popular vote in swing states, or Tucker Carlson puts out a list of fake dead people who voted, or Lou Dobbs says it's not a free and fair election and it's Trump's rightful second term or brings that maniac poll worker and her lawyer on air, or Newt Gingrich calls it a stolen election

That was all on Fox News, you can see some of it here but the rest isn't very difficult to find:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nevada-voter-fraud-election-2020-ingraham-angle-exclusive
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-2020-presidential-election-voter-fraud-dead-voters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF-2b8vBRrA&ab_channel=KSDKNews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgXyqaT6bgE&feature=emb_logo&ab_channel=TheSheridanFiles

There's a ton of this stuff all over the place
There's your problem right there, confusing Fox pundits for news anchors. Even Fox has been a bit more proactive recently separating the news from those dimwits.
 
Did you mean hanging their hats?

If I were to have an opinion, so rare for me, I know, I would say Trump is on the road to stall. It helps him go from his fantasy he actually won, to blaming everyone else for why he lost, to grasping at tiny straws of hope, (Fox dimwits and Giuliani are feeding straws to him), to dreaming about his network (radio or TV) with all the great ratings, to basking in the light of all those Republicans he has conned, to lashing out at any betrayers, firing them, to plotting to stay on long enough to control the vaccine roll out so he can get even with even more enemies .....

I think when one is in a manic state that's about how things go in between bouts of depression and self-loathing.

Yeah I did.:o. I agree. A working group at a think tank war gamed out the different scenarios of this election months ago and in none of them did the group think Trump would concede. They considered serious resistance from Trump and in every played out scenario it fizzled.

I take comfort that he has been blanked in the courts. He has been blanked in this idea of having legislators pick the electors. The leads in the states are really too great to overcome in a recount. I was annoyed for an hour with the shenanigans yesterday when their was a deadlock to certify the election in Michigan's most populated county, but that fizzled too.

At some point the GOP and Trump's resistance will crumble. Or at least that is how I see it.
 
There is no evidence said coup is materializing.
I never said it was. But dismissing the seriousness of the sitting POTUS's attempt to do exactly that is...a mistake.

He will never concede or congratulate Biden.
Maybe not. But I think he probably will, against his will and as un-enthusiastically as possible.

I'm not sure after 4 years of Trump never becoming Presidential that people understand what is going on here.
It's possible you might be one of those people too, right?
What I understand is going on here is that the political ground is being fertilized for some very strange fruit.
 
There's your problem right there, confusing Fox pundits for news anchors. Even Fox has been a bit more proactive recently separating the news from those dimwits.

I had a feeling people would be saying "well that doesn't count"

it's Fox News, and more people watch those guys than the "news", and it's mainstream media as much as pundits on other media outlets are mainstream

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https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-ne...cy-theories-about-election-results-nearly-600

it's the "news" too, i should add, even if they have been less egregiously treasonous
 
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Plans for what to do with the next several years of your life can be a pretty sticky thing to try to let go of even when you know that what you were planning won't work, or isn't as good as an unplanned available alternative, or both.

So, maybe insanity is a bit harsh, but a temporary sort of delusion that comes from a shock you simply can't accept.

A therapist would still treat it as mental illness, but a treatable sort that requires you to just accept things as they are, not as you want them to be.



Or maybe he's just an *******.
 
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