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Cont: 2020 Presidential Election part 3

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phiwum said:
It's an excellent use of the fallacy of equivocation, whether intentional or not. Trump is just stupid enough that he might not understand what is alleged and he's devious enough to not give a damn.

The 71% isn't about the number of votes being larger than the population but the number of precincts whose numbers don't balance. The number of votes not balancing isn't clear to me (someone said it was a total discrepancy of 300-400 votes), but Trump is using that figure to suggest something much more nefarious. Of course.
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Thanks for that. I was googling around to try to figure out exactly what Trump was claiming here, and couldn't sort it out.

But, as I expected, it was almost all BS.
 
Olmstead said:
Maybe someone could kidnap Trump in his sleep and put him in a presidential version of the Truman Show.
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I've been saying for years when Trump loses the election we shouldn't tell him. The entertainment potential is immeasurable.
 
Mojo said:
It clearly all started with Watergategate.
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It really is scary how well the last ~50 years of American politics "works" if you look at is as the Right still trying to "get back / get even" with the Left over Watergate.

The Right's slow but steady abandoning of all of its (even bad) morals and standards, the rise of Obstructionism as their primary tactic, how much time they've spent spinning their wheels trying and failing to trap and well known Democrat in their version of Watergate.
 
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phiwum said:
It's an excellent use of the fallacy of equivocation, whether intentional or not. Trump is just stupid enough that he might not understand what is alleged and he's devious enough to not give a damn.

The 71% isn't about the number of votes being larger than the population but the number of precincts whose numbers don't balance. The number of votes not balancing isn't clear to me (someone said it was a total discrepancy of 300-400 votes), but Trump is using that figure to suggest something much more nefarious. Of course.
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Also, "more votes than people" isn't even close to correct. Even in this year of record turnout, the turnout in Detrot was still only in the neighborhood of 50% of registered voters.

I wonder why people register to vote, but don't vote. I've never quite understood that.
 
Horatius said:
Thanks for that. I was googling around to try to figure out exactly what Trump was claiming here, and couldn't sort it out.

But, as I expected, it was almost all BS.
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As far as I can tell, the "More votes than voters" claim is made up out of whole cloth.
 
Meadmaker said:
Also, "more votes than people" isn't even close to correct. Even in this year of record turnout, the turnout in Detrot was still only in the neighborhood of 50% of registered voters.

I wonder why people register to vote, but don't vote. I've never quite understood that.
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Because registering to vote requires only answering "Yes" when renewing your driver's license. There's no effort required, but effort is required for voting.

Mind you, I'm not arguing against no-effort registration. Making voting easier is good, even though I also don't think that universal turnout to vote is necessarily good.

In an ideal world, only those who have thought about the issues and candidates enough to have an informed opinion vote, but of course it would be wrong to test for that. At this point, I'd say such a test would be dramatically skewed against the GOP if it worked properly. Supporting Trump is strong prima facie evidence you don't know what the **** you're talking about.
 
phiwum said:
It's an excellent use of the fallacy of equivocation, whether intentional or not. Trump is just stupid enough that he might not understand what is alleged and he's devious enough to not give a damn.

The 71% isn't about the number of votes being larger than the population but the number of precincts whose numbers don't balance. The number of votes not balancing isn't clear to me (someone said it was a total discrepancy of 300-400 votes), but Trump is using that figure to suggest something much more nefarious. Of course.
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IIRC, it stemmed from a few situations where the number of ballots exceeded the number of registered voters, due to same-day voter registration and/or provisional ballots. That's since evolved into the kind of sharpie-doodling ignorance/obstinance that Trump has coasted on his entire life.
 
Paul2 said:
It's not that he is involved in a coup, but his actions and words make it unclear whether he might attempt it, something that we've never had cause to consider before in the entire history of the country. That makes one sit up and take notice, and be prepared for the worst. What has Trump done to make one think, "No, this line is something he would never cross?"
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Only if it had a ramp or stairs up to it
 
Beelzebuddy said:
IIRC, it stemmed from a few situations where the number of ballots exceeded the number of registered voters, due to same-day voter registration and/or provisional ballots. That's since evolved into the kind of sharpie-doodling ignorance/obstinance that Trump has coasted on his entire life.
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In many cases, it's more prosaic than that. Sometimes, people make mistakes. A ballot is put in a drop box. Someone is supposed to scan it. They don't. The little green light doesn't beep when they run the scanner, but they throw it in the bin anyway. When it comes time to count the ballots, the bin has 258 ballots in it, but there were only 257 scans recorded.

Another issue might be with mail in ballots. There, lots of ballots come into a single, central, location. A worker scans the ballot. It's from precinct three. Over on the table, there are ballots for precinct 1, precinct 2, and precinct 3. He puts it in the precinct 2 box by mistake. Now, precinct 2 has one extra ballot, and precinct 3 has one too few ballots. When dealing with literally millions of bits of paper that have to be sorted and analyzed, sometimes it goes wrong. There are ways to make it go not quite so wrong, but that requires more people to do more things, and that can get expensive.

Some pretty big problems were identified with this in the August primary, and steps were taken to fix the problem, but they weren't always effective, and there were still lots of problems, but the total number of problem cases dealt with a few hundred total votes.
 
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Trump cuts into Biden's lead in Pennsylvania

Latest count in Pennsylvania shows Trump narrowing Bidens lead there.

37 votes.
Now, he only needs 81,561 more

 
Delphic Oracle said:
You are doing your part to burn down all media and transform government by asking, I see.
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Trying to get a petition started to put a bill in my state legislature to change our state's presidential, senate, and congressional races to ranked choice voting. It's the best I can come up with at the moment.

Although I do enjoy bitching on the internet too.

What are you doing, then?
 
Meadmaker said:
In the spirit of "facts matter" I want to take issue with this.

Does half the country believe that there is voter fraud? ...

Moving on to the other half, I think almost no one believes Trump is engaged in a coup...

So, I reject your characterization of the state of the country's beliefs...
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:boxedin: I thought it was obvious hyperbole, not intended to actually be 100% of the country.
 
David Shafer, Chairman of the Georgia Republican Party tweets with no supporting evidence

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One of our monitors discovered a 9,626 vote error in the DeKalb County hand count. One batch was labeled 10,707 for Biden and 13 for Trump - an improbable margin even by DeKalb standards. The actual count for the batch was 1,081 for Biden and 13 for Trump.

Had this counting error not been discovered, Biden would have gained enough votes from this one batch alone to cancel out Trump’s gains from Fayette, Floyd and Walton.

We were limited to 1 monitor for every 10 counting tables and we were kept some distance from the tables. There is no telling what we missed under these unreasonable restrictions. The miscounted batch had been be signed off by two official counters.


Biden’s margin of victory in this batch of votes (99.9%) bested Bashar al-Assad’s 2007 margin (97.6%) and Raul Castro’s 2008 margin (99.4%). It matched Kim Jong-il’s 2009 margin (99.9%).

Our attorneys have turned over an affidavit from our monitor to the Secretary of State and requested an investigation.
 
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