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Trump's Coup d'état.

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Emily's Cat said:
Actually... it pretty much was the same thing. It's speculation based on belief.

Pragmatically, it's not going to happen. The electors aren't going to be faithless and put Trump in office. The states aren't going to replace their electors with those that will be faithless and vote for Trump. The military isn't going to back a coup. At the very worst, come January, the secret service will escort a very grumpy Trump out of the white house.
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I hope that's the case.
A number of Republicans, including politicians and others in positions of power seem to be expressing confidence that Trump will continue to be President after Jan 20.
 
d4m10n said:
Speaking of MI GOP and election shenanigans, this bodes ill:
https://twitter.com/nancykaffer/status/1328836317137022976
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Upon further investigation: All the tedious details for anyone interested.
Bottom line:
The Associated Press and major news outlets have called the presidential election for Biden. Most have called Georgia for Biden, giving him a total of 306 electoral votes -- 36 more than needed to win the election. AP and Fox News have not called Georgia, giving Biden 290 electoral votes.

Michigan has 16 electoral votes, so even without that state, Biden is still above 270 according to the projections of all major news outlets.
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IOW, without MI and GA, Biden still wins.

IMO if these idiots go against their electorate it won't work out well for them, especially given it's no more than an empty gesture.
 
Cavemonster said:
I hope that's the case.
A number of Republicans, including politicians and others in positions of power seem to be expressing confidence that Trump will continue to be President after Jan 20.
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Do you expect otherwise? I expect they'll continue that show until the results are officially reported by the states and the legal challenges are finally shut down. Hell, I'm sure they'll take up the drum beat of it being a big con job after that, and proceed to tie up the courts with non-stop challenges, as well as unceasing investigations into Hunter Biden and Burisma for the next four years.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
If that's what you believe, where does supporting evidence come into it?
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:confused: Supporting evidence that Cavemonster's post was essentially a Russel's Teapot claim? Or supporting evidence that Cavemonster's post was in essence speculation based on his/her belief?

I'm confused by your question. I think I missed a step somewhere.
 
angrysoba said:
Is Trump *trying* to overturn a legitimate democratic election to install himself in power?

I’d like a yes/no on that one.
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Does "trying" include a feeble attempt?

So what Trump would like 4 more years. A coup requires more than just wanting and feeble effort.
 
Emily's Cat said:
:confused: Supporting evidence that Cavemonster's post was essentially a Russel's Teapot claim? Or supporting evidence that Cavemonster's post was in essence speculation based on his/her belief?

I'm confused by your question. I think I missed a step somewhere.
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Supporting evidence vs no evidence re your false equivalence.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Does "trying" include a feeble attempt?

So what Trump would like 4 more years. A coup requires more than just wanting and feeble effort.
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In other words, yes, he is only attempting.

Good, we are in agreement then.

In other words, “Relax, it is only an *attempted* coup” is exactly your position, and I was right.

Stop telling me then, that my accurate characterization of your position is a straw man.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Bottom line: IOW, without MI and GA, Biden still wins.
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I don't think these clowns are going to actually flip Michigan, since their Secretary of State and Governor seem up to the task of keeping the election on track.

That said, the number of states where blocking just one county changes the overall result is surprisingly high.
 
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From https://twitter.com/JYSexton/status/1328877675751108615
Jared Yates Sexton said:
The Trump Campaign is suing for Nevada to either name him the winner or just wipe the state’s results from the slate.

It may not work. It’s haphazard and sloppy. But make no mistake. They are attempting a literal coup.
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Skeptic Ginger said:
I repeat, state and federal legislatures are not as intertwined as you seem to believe.

Federal legislators benefit directly from a GOP POTUS. State governments don't.
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If your point is that, unlike country level GOP, state level GOP must be reasonable, I would consider that an extraordinary claim. If this were so, we would not be having GOP endorsed QAnon candidates at the state level left and right.
 
There is a tremendous disconnect between career Republicans and their base.
That is why they need outsiders to win their battles for them.
 
cosmicaug said:
If your point is that, unlike country level GOP, state level GOP must be reasonable, I would consider that an extraordinary claim. If this were so, we would not be having GOP endorsed QAnon candidates at the state level left and right.
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There are whack-jobs in state legislatures, I know that. We've had some doozies here in WA.

But the idea the governors and legislators in the states that matter would sacrifice their states' voters on the alter of Trump doesn't fit the evidence.
 
Here are the top 3 results for "no states are giving their electors to trump" in a search on Startpage:
https://www.nytimes.com/article/electors-vote.html
Could State Legislatures Pick Electors to Vote for Trump? Not Likely ...
The Constitution gives state legislatures the power to determine the “manner” in ... electors chosen by the party of the presidential candidate who won their state.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/14/opin...-going-to-give-trump-a-second-term/index.html
Opinion: The Electoral College is not going to give Trump a second ...
One scenario is that state legislatures could choose their own slate of electors, which could give Donald Trump the 270 electoral votes he would need to win a ...

https://apnews.com/article/election...pennsylvania-b199b2debc87fbb20612a48835bc0dba
GOP leaders in 4 states quash dubious Trump bid on electors
Republican leaders in four critical states won by President-elect Joe Biden say they won't ... scheme to flip their state's electors to vote for President Donald Trump. ... “I do not see, short of finding some type of fraud — which I haven't heard of ...
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Trump and the GOP at the federal level have really mucked up the country and the democratic process. But seriously people, we are not a fascist state yet. It's going to take more than a whack-job POTUS to do that.

Remember, this guy has failed at everything he has ever done. That should at least give people some confidence he's not getting another 4 years.
 
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cosmicaug said:
Haven't confirmed but I think they may have relented.
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To confirm they have indeed relented:

Joe Biden won, Michigan elector coup ‘not going to happen,’ GOP leader says
Democrat Joe Biden is the president-elect, and while Michigan’s Republican-led Legislature is investigating the election, it will not award the state’s 16 electors to GOP President Donald Trump, Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey told Bridge on Tuesday.
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Trump is a failure. This is one more thing he has failed at: being the POTUS. The fact he lost reelection is the expected outcome.
 
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