Cont: 2020 Presidential Election part 3

[phiwum]

I concur.

This irregularity was discovered Friday and they have been counting all weekend.
No other similar discovery of ballots has been uncovered so I guess that is the end of this. I'm pretty sure these were ballots inside sealed envelopes, not just unassociated ballots.

Memory stick with the totals, I heard. The ballots had been counted but not uploaded.

Washington Post, I believe.

 

[acbytesla]

According to news reports here, it was a single memory card that wasn't uploaded which had some 2600 votes cast in early voting here.

1643 votes for Trump, 865 for Biden
https://www.ajc.com/politics/georgi...presidential-race/I75NSPYYGNF43HQZBPYKJWJ5MA/

Martin said these ballots rectify a discrepancy between the number of people who checked in to vote early and ballots that were counted in Floyd County, located in northwest Georgia.

More importantly "The uncounted ballots in Floyd County is the most significant issue found so far during Georgia’s recount. Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger has said that other counties' recounted figures closely match their original numbers."

 

[acbytesla]

Yep, and it was in republican county. Which is evidence for voter fraud by Biden supporters, somehow

They might argue just that. Some Democrat elections official lost 2600 votes in a deep red county. Yeah sure! Conspiracy!

Stop the Steal!

 

[SezMe]

In this thread, we've occasionally touched on the Electoral College and FPTP and other voting schemes. Here is one attempt to compare three alternatives. It's not about the 2020 election but I thought it relevant in the bigger picture.

 

[Ladewig]

It this is Trump's strategy he is even more stupid than he thought.
he cannot stay in office after Jan 20th,period. The COnsitution says so.

I with I had a nickel for each time someone said “Trump is even more stupid than..”
And I wish I had a penny for each time the writer was correct.

And if everyone agrees to play by the laws laid out in our Constitution, then everything goes smoothly.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Arrest Lindsey Graham.

I keep saying if there are no consequences this crap will keep happening.

They use weasel words so they can claim they meant something else.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Wait. A. Minute. Either:
A) that's not Rudy, or
b) he's using Trump's orange goo and dyed his hair dark.

I'm leaning toward B.

30 minutes! He went on for 30 minutes!

I do believe that is a move one takes after the judge threw out all those 'affidavits' as inadmissible.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Wait. A. Minute. Either:
A) that's not Rudy, or
b) he's using Trump's orange goo and dyed his hair dark.

I'm leaning toward B.

Somebody is auditioning for his own show on Trump TV or whatever it is going to be called.

 

[Meadmaker]

I concur.

This irregularity was discovered Friday and they have been counting all weekend.
No other similar discovery of ballots has been uncovered so I guess that is the end of this. I'm pretty sure these were ballots inside sealed envelopes, not just unassociated ballots.

I don't know how they were stored, but basically it was the contents of one drop-off box. They never made it into the count.

ETA: Or so I read. Apparently others have read differently.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

This part isn't exactly true, at least not in NC. This is not to say that it wouldn't be exceedingly difficult, but I don't think it would be impossible.

Here's why. When someone requests an absentee ballot here, a unique code is generated for that request. This code can be found printed on a label which is affixed to the return envelope for the ballot. Said label also has the name and address of the voter who requested the ballot.

There is a box on the ballot itself where that same code is copied (by hand, which may offer even different issues).

So there are two separate items which if combined can provide a direct trail to the identity of that particular ballot's recipient.

Now I suspect (would hope) that there are layers of security which are intended to prevent, or at least make it exceedingly difficult to manage to combine these two data points, but nonetheless they are there.

I have no idea about the process in any other state, but that is what has been done here for at least the last three elections. (Those being the ones for which I have requested an absentee ballot.)

And I can provide photographic proof, since I chose to vote during the early voting period, and still have my original absentee ballot package in its entirety.

That would be rather extraordinary for said ballots to no longer be private.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

My understanding from recent reading is that since it is an audit and not a recount, this means that even after it is completed a recount can still be requested if the final difference is <0.5%.

I'm not sure who pays for the recount.

I believe it started out as an audit then changed to being a full recount.

 

[Meadmaker]

My understanding from recent reading is that since it is an audit and not a recount, this means that even after it is completed a recount can still be requested if the final difference is <0.5%.

I'm not sure who pays for the recount.

I haven't read any articles in the last couple of days on that subject. When last I read them, people were arguing about it, and the answer was not crystal clear.

Most people thought it would constitute a recount and do away with any need for one, but others said that wasn't so. So, it's off to court, assuming the Trump team is still up for that sort of thing and is still paying the lawyers.

 

[acbytesla]

I haven't read any articles in the last couple of days on that subject. When last I read them, people were arguing about it, and the answer was not crystal clear.

Most people thought it would constitute a recount and do away with any need for one, but others said that wasn't so. So, it's off to court, assuming the Trump team is still up for that sort of thing and is still paying the lawyers.

From what I understand, a second recount is possible, but unlikely. Sure wouldn't look good if Trump lost the recount by sat 13,000 votes and yet people are still ssking. My guess is if there was one. They would have to pay for it.

 

[quadraginta]

I haven't read any articles in the last couple of days on that subject. When last I read them, people were arguing about it, and the answer was not crystal clear.

Most people thought it would constitute a recount and do away with any need for one, but others said that wasn't so. So, it's off to court, assuming the Trump team is still up for that sort of thing and is still paying the lawyers.

Had you read the follow-up post I made before you wrote this?

The link I provided seemed quite adamant that a hand count, while fine for an audit, could not be used for an official recount, by state statute. How easily could that be changed? Especially in the current legal climate where existing state law seems to be the guiding principle for court decisions about election procedure.

 

[acbytesla]

Had you read the follow-up post I made before you wrote this?

The link I provided seemed quite adamant that a hand count, while fine for an audit, could not be used for an official recount, by state statute. How easily could that be changed? Especially in the current legal climate where existing state law seems to be the guiding principle for court decisions about election procedure.

You're right. But given how thorough this process is, I find it highly unlikely that a another recount will be requested. I could imagine the Biden campaign asking for one if it reversed the decision or Trump requesting one if say they cut into Biden's lead by say 65% percent or more. Still, it probably is a lor easier doing a machine recount.

 

[quadraginta]

You're right. But given how thorough this process is, I find it highly unlikely that a another recount will be requested. I could imagine the Biden campaign asking for one if it reversed the decision or Trump requesting one if say they cut into Biden's lead by say 65% percent or more. Still, it probably is a lor easier doing a machine recount.

This may be true. Certainly it doesn't seem like the state of Georgia would feel that it was necessary, and although they can request a recount they are not compelled to.

But the candidates still have the right to, and although I doubt the Biden campaign would bother to, it certainly isn't beyond the realm of possibility that the Trump campaign might.

Just because they can, and because it would stir things up and draw things out. Because that, obviously, is the way they are.

I still don't know if they would have to pay for it, which might be a bigger consideration for them if they did.

 

[acbytesla]

This may be true. Certainly it doesn't seem like the state of Georgia would feel that it was necessary, and although they can request a recount they are not compelled to.

But the candidates still have the right to, and although I doubt the Biden campaign would bother to, it certainly isn't beyond the realm of possibility that the Trump campaign might.

Just because they can, and because it would stir things up and draw things out. Because that, obviously, is the way they are.

I still don't know if they would have to pay for it, which might be a bigger consideration for them if they did.

State law in Georgia does not specify who is responsible for costs associated with a requested recount but the secretary of state's office has indicated that the state covers all costs. A losing candidate may request a recount if the margin is less than or equal to 0.5%.

It almost certainly will be. Before the audit/recount being conducted right now the margin is at .3 percent.

 

[Aridas]

I listen to Sean Hannity sometimes. Trump wasn't the first to spew BS. He won't be the last.

But the spewers of BS on the radio or wherever don't bother me. It won't be coming from the White House anymore.


Sadly, who knows what the Republicans will come up with in 2024, possibly even Donald Trump himself. It would be nice if reality would overtake American politics, but I don't know how to make that happen.

I'd suggest not underestimating the reach of radio BS spewers, first of all. That's been much of the foundation when it comes to the means of how reality became notably less relevant. Trump actively paying attention to such and working with it was one of the smart moves that he made in 2015.

Well, good for you, have a cookie- 78 million + satisfied Americans thank you for your forbearance in not rioting over something that, by that count, you have absolutely no reason to riot about.

Going further, there's been quite a lot of bad behavior by Trump supporters before, during, and after the election, including a number of things that fairly certainly could be called rioting, especially when the incredibly expansive version of rioting that right-wing media applies when talking about those who don't like the things that they do is invoked. So, my rating of the sentiment that you're responding to is "self-serving lie."

ETA: For what it's worth, I really would like to see election systems so reliable that there would not be 139 discrepancies, or races that had to be run. I want that for a simple reason. I want to be able to say, completely honestly, that your one vote really does matter, because an election could be decided by one vote.

An election like this one?

 

[quadraginta]

State law in Georgia does not specify who is responsible for costs associated with a requested recount but the secretary of state's office has indicated that the state covers all costs. A losing candidate may request a recount if the margin is less than or equal to 0.5%.

It almost certainly will be. Before the audit/recount being conducted right now the margin is at .3 percent.

In that case I suspect it is rather inevitable that the Trump campaign will request a recount.

What have they got to lose by it?

Aside from the election, which they already know they have lost.

This will be about posturing, which is all the Trump campaign has left. Theater for their constituency. They certainly won't care how much it costs the citizens of Georgia.

 

[acbytesla]

In that case I suspect it is rather inevitable that the Trump campaign will request a recount.

What have they got to lose by it?

Aside from the election, which they already know they have lost.

This will be about posturing, which is all the Trump campaign has left. Theater for their constituency. They certainly won't care how much it costs the citizens of Georgia.

They will have a day and half to request the recount.

But you know what? I would love it if Trump request a third recount. That would be three counts all saying the same thing.

YOU LOSE BITCH!