Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

[Dave Rogers]

The fundamental "error" both make is that they get wrong what is actually plotted in the video - which renders all their calculations moot. Their "misunderstanding" is derived from a not very precisely formulated bullet point in the video, one that can only be "misunderstood" if one stops to watch the video there.

I'm a little intrigued by this, but not enough to watch an hour and ten of incredible tedium. Boiled down into a brief summary, the claim seems to me to be:

If we take X as the number of votes for the full Republican ticket and Y as the number of off-ticket Trump votes, then:
Y is negatively correlated with X.
Is that correct?

If so, isn't that totally bloody obvious from the fact that the number of off-ticket votes is a subset of the remaining votes after the full ticket votes have been deducted, so simple probability demands that they correlate negatively?

Dave

 

[Paul2]

In other fun news, Tucker Carlson had to apologize on the air for making a false claim about a dead person voting.

Carlson got fact-checked by a local news team that somehow had better resources and research ability than the flagship program on the biggest cable news network.

Once again, the paragon of responsible journalism demonstrates how to journalism, which means everything else he has journalismed must be true.

What motivates a journalist to issue a correction when so much else is innuendo, half-truths, and worse?

 

[Childlike Empress]

I think you are being a tad unfair on yourself, your debunking wasn’t pantomime it was just wrong.

By now I have been called mistaken on youtube as well and thought it through again. I think I was too fast in my assumption and the Y-Axis indeed plots what the "fact-checkers" claim. But I'm not really sure as these voting "options" are so bizarre. And for now I've had enough of it and retract to neutral.

 

[johnny karate]

Once again, the paragon of responsible journalism demonstrates how to journalism, which means everything else he has journalismed must be true.

What motivates a journalist to issue a correction when so much else is innuendo, half-truths, and worse?

What’s great is that he ends the apology by once again claiming without evidence that dead people voted. Just other dead people than the one about which he lied was mistaken.

 

[Elagabalus]

if anyone is still thinking that there was something to the Benford Law claims, here's a great video as to why there isn't, and it includes data to show why in fact there was no detectable fraud.

This video is mentioned in your video and the author appears in the comment section. Apparently, he shows his work a little bit more than in your vid and it is supposed to be good (I haven't watch as yet). Just throwing it out there.

2020 Presidential election: Analysis of Maricopa County results using Benford’s Law and other tests

 

[quadraginta]

What is “political harassment”?

When you choose to quit giving your business to someone who does something you disapprove of, and suggest to other people that they do the same.

Is it criminal?

Only when it is done to a Repugnican.

 

[quadraginta]

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Trump enablers like Bill Barr, Mark Esper, Stephen Miller et al? They can go **** themselves!

Night of the Long Knives?

I'm pretty sure that isn't what happened that night (well ... those nights).

 

[BobTheCoward]

When you choose to quit giving your business to someone who does something you disapprove of, and suggest to other people that they do the same.




Only when it is done to a Repugnican.

Isn't not engaging with people the opposite of harassment?

 

[trustbutverify]

They wouldn't to my knowledge. They could estimate at best.

You misunderstand. I think it would have been much easier for Trump to collect ballots to keep in reserve. Most would have been for Biden true.

Exactly. And with recounts on the horizon. Fraud is not a one way street.

Well, I do agree that fraud was probably committed by the Trump campaign. But, thankfully, it didn't work, although it did act to make the election seem closer than it really was.

 

[trustbutverify]

let's invalidated all votes for Republicans, just to be on the safe side.

Agreed. There’s really no way to be sure they won their elections fairly.

At this point, I can't really see any other alternative. With all the evidence of Republican shenanigans' being uncovered, which is probably just the tip of the iceberg, how can we trust any Trump votes?

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Oh, ok. Well, I think that's bad and anybody who makes a call like that should be arrested, but I honestly don't think there is the same fear of violence and retribution from the right wing crazies as there is from the left wing crazies. The lawyers have left the case and are shutting up, the election workers are publicly complaining about the call, continuing with the election and being backed up by republicans. Also, I thought the claim was intimidating people with guns?

You had me at the hilited.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

In a shocking turn of events:

Project Veritas could face legal liability for postal worker's ballot fraud allegations, experts say

Who would have thought falsifying an affidavit could have potential legal consequences?

That's just like their opinion, man.

I was told he specifically didn't recant, yet:
"I didn't specifically overhear the whole story. I just heard a part of it," Hopkins said in the recording. "And I could have missed a lot of it."

"My mind probably added the rest. I understand that," he said at another point, adding: "All it is is hearsay, and that's the worst part."

When an agent asked Hopkins in the recording if he would still swear to the affidavit's claim that the postmaster "was back-dating ballots," he replied: "At this point? No."

Paging Shutit and ChrisBFRPKY, can you all come defend your claims ???

Hopkins also expressed remorse for how the saga had affected his supervisor, who has received death threats as a result of the amplification of the allegations.

Wait, I was told it's the libs have been harassing the hard working conservatives....

and let's not forget the chefs kiss:
Recounts in statewide elections rarely shift more than a few hundred votes, and almost never overturn established results. Biden defeated Trump in Pennsylvania by more than 60,000 votes, according to the official count as of Friday. Hopkins' allegation was about one single ballot.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

That's just like their opinion, man.

I was told he specifically didn't recant, yet:
"I didn't specifically overhear the whole story. I just heard a part of it," Hopkins said in the recording. "And I could have missed a lot of it."

"My mind probably added the rest. I understand that," he said at another point, adding: "All it is is hearsay, and that's the worst part."

When an agent asked Hopkins in the recording if he would still swear to the affidavit's claim that the postmaster "was back-dating ballots," he replied: "At this point? No."

Paging Shutit and ChrisBFRPKY, can you all come defend your claims ???
Hopkins also expressed remorse for how the saga had affected his supervisor, who has received death threats as a result of the amplification of the allegations.

Wait, I was told it's the libs have been harassing the hard working conservatives....

and let's not forget the chefs kiss:
Recounts in statewide elections rarely shift more than a few hundred votes, and almost never overturn established results. Biden defeated Trump in Pennsylvania by more than 60,000 votes, according to the official count as of Friday. Hopkins' allegation was about one single ballot.

I've posted multiple links in previous posts regarding the 300K+ ballots that are missing. The best was probably the MSNBC video link.

Several members seem content with explaining away these missing ballots by trusting CNN's opinion about the issue. I do not accept the opinion that the ballots have all been delivered without confirmation delivery scans. There can be no trust without verification.

The USPS does not bypass security protocol. especially on something where security is as important as an election ballot. A final delivery scan is done by the carrier delivering the item at the time of delivery. It makes no difference if some internal processing was bypassed.

Delivery confirmation should not be a foreign concept to anyone that has ever purchased or sold something online.

I've pointed out specifically that any of my concerns about these missing ballots are not allegations of fraud. I do not allege a conspiracy theory or aluminum foil head gear. My suggestions and discussion about what could be done with 300K missing ballots are the reason everyone should be concerned that they were not confirmed as delivered and are presumed missing.

 

[BobTheCoward]

I've posted multiple links in previous posts regarding the 300K+ ballots that are missing. The best was probably the MSNBC video link.

Several members seem content with explaining away these missing ballots by trusting CNN's opinion about the issue. I do not accept the opinion that the ballots have all been delivered without confirmation delivery scans. There can be no trust without verification.

The USPS does not bypass security protocol. especially on something where security is as important as an election ballot. A final delivery scan is done by the carrier delivering the item at the time of delivery. It makes no difference if some internal processing was bypassed.

Delivery confirmation should not be a foreign concept to anyone that has ever purchased or sold something online.

I've pointed out specifically that any of my concerns about these missing ballots are not allegations of fraud. I do not allege a conspiracy theory or aluminum foil head gear. My suggestions and discussion about what could be done with 300K missing ballots are the reason everyone should be concerned that they were not confirmed as delivered and are presumed missing.

It wasn't CNN's opinion. You can read the testimony. They chose not to scan them.

"The assumption that there are unaccounted ballots within the Postal Service network is inaccurate," the USPS said, in light of the reports. "These ballots were delivered in advance of the election deadlines. We employed extraordinary measures to deliver ballots directly to local boards of elections. When this occurs, by design, these ballots bypass certain processing operations and do not receive a final scan. Instead, they are expedited directly to the boards of elections."

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Well, I do agree that fraud was probably committed by the Trump campaign. But, thankfully, it didn't work, although it did act to make the election seem closer than it really was.

More to the point. The potential for fraud exists where it should not.

 

[acbytesla]

More to the point. The potential for fraud exists where it should not.

Maybe so. But there is no credible evidence of any fraud in this election that may have affected more than a handful of ballots. Potential for fraud is not evidence for fraud. Now is it?

Election is over. Trump lost by almost 6 million votes. Time to move on and come together as patriotic Americans.

 

[RolandRat]

This comes across as delusional. I’m talking about actual crimes committed by the right and you’re just making **** up about the left.

And yes, the right wing crazies are intimidating people with guns.

I find it absolutely insane people can just wander around with their faces completely covered and armed like that.

 

[Paul2]

It is not conspiracy that over 300K ballots were not confirmed delivered by the USPS and have been "misplaced" in the system. It is fact.

It is also fact that the USPS was court ordered to sweep its facilities to find those misplaced ballots. The USPS violated the order.

If this does not concern you it should.

Here's some info that should be reassuring:

[O]ne of the measures the USPS put in place to speed things up involved postal workers hand-picking ballots from the processing system. Since they were removed from the normal mail stream, they didn't receive the scans.

"The assumption that there are unaccounted ballots within the Postal Service network is inaccurate," the USPS said, in light of the reports. "These ballots were delivered in advance of the election deadlines. We employed extraordinary measures to deliver ballots directly to local boards of elections. When this occurs, by design, these ballots bypass certain processing operations and do not receive a final scan. Instead, they are expedited directly to the boards of elections."

https://www.wtae.com/article/fact-check-claim-usps-lost-300000-ballots/34590813#

Also,

Per standard operating procedure, USPS personnel sweep every facility, including the ones in question here, for ballots at least once a day during election cycles and report "all clear" certifications after they're complete. The latest sweeps occurred this morning at 10 a.m. To order and coordinate a sweep by independent observers—of which there is often only one in entire sorting facilities which are often massive warehouses—in a matter of hours is no easy feat. It is likely the USPS was unable to comply with the court order due to the same bureaucratic inefficiencies that make the USPS unable to do anything differently on a rapid time scale. At any rate, those same independent observers were already scheduled to be on hand at the facilities from 4 to 8 p.m. to ensure no ballots were left behind, and Judge Sullivan decided that was good enough (before adding the USPS should be “prepared to discuss the apparent lack of compliance with the Court's order” at their noon conference call tomorrow.)

https://www.vice.com/en/article/5dp...minute-ballot-crisis-isnt-as-dire-as-it-seems

 

[BobTheCoward]

More to the point. The potential for fraud exists where it should not.

That is a bit of, "won't somebody think of the children."

I don't know of it should not exist. Like all decisions, it involves tradeoffs that would need to be evaluated.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

It wasn't CNN's opinion. You can read the testimony. They chose not to scan them.

Bob if it's not good enough for Ebay to miss a delivery confirmation scan it's not good enough for me. You may choose to accept someone's word but I choose to accept standard security protocol and procedure. Trust is required your way, there is no need for trust my way.