Cont: 2020 Presidential Election part 3

[gnome]

According to the Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick

“There’s less than 30,000 votes in Georgia and Arizona dividing Biden and Trump. And if those two states turn, if they do, then the Supreme Court could make the decision on Pennsylvania. And then Trump is president."

So all we have to do is pull a miraculous "come from behind" victory in two states, and then all we have to do is flip another state in court where we keep losing cases, and we're there. This one's in the bag!

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I have a stupid question.

Trump signed a pledge not to set up an independent party in 2015 if he didn't win pre-selection.

If Trump obtained 72million votes in 2020, can't he simply threaten the Republican party to now do exactly that? It would hurt both him and the Republican party but give him money inflows again from campaign donations?


Donald Trump signs pledge not to run as independent (2015)
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/03/donald-trump-pledge-independent-president

What would be the goal?

 

[Meadmaker]

Kayleigh McEnany is claiming more than a million marchers have turned out to support Trump in 'the Swamp' of DC.


TV coverage would suggest far fewer.

But is it as big as his inauguration?



(I have been curious how big the crowd will be, and whether the will be well behaved, and likewise the counterprotestors. The only pictures I have seen so far showed a very crowded, full, street, but that particular shot could have been filled up by about 15,000 people, so I have no idea if that's the main part of the crowd, or some side street view.)

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Even if it was, so what? He acts like funding vaccine development during a pandemic was a brilliant idea that no other President would have thought of, and the money came out of his own pocket.

But then this is a man who thought switching on Fox News and hearing wild speculation about a possible treatment and then simply repeating it at a press conference, without investigating further let alone waiting for it to be tested, entitled him to the Nobel prize for medicine.

I agree on "so what". I was just clarifying some he said/they said details I previously had questions about.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Trump Retweeted

Scott Adams
@ScottAdamsSays
The most corrupt institutions and individuals in America have declared that the election was free of fraud, and that's good enough for me. What's wrong with the rest of you?

Alana Mastrangelo
@ARmastrangelo
Chris Wallace during the first debate: “Will you pledge not to declare victory until the election is independently certified?” Joe Biden: “Yes.”Whoops.

HUD Sec-Select DCP (nil desperandum)
@PurpleBaptist
Stunning. Biden’s choice for chief of staff, Ron Klain, agreed that American “elections are rigged” in 2014 tweet.

It has been independently certified if you use a less rigorous definition of "certified".

It's crazy that Scott Adams has not noticed how corrupt Trump is literally.

 

[acbytesla]

According to the Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick

“There’s less than 30,000 votes in Georgia and Arizona dividing Biden and Trump. And if those two states turn, if they do, then the Supreme Court could make the decision on Pennsylvania. And then Trump is president."

In other words.

We need to complete one hail mary pass, an onside kick a second hail mary pass and then get the Refs to say under further review a touchdown completed in the third quarter has been overruled because the opposing team's teams running back was wearing two mismatched socks.


Or, we're desperate and we need our handpicked SCOTUS judges to ignore almost 79 million votes and overthrow 230 years of democracy.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

He may have said it, but there was no evidence to support his assertion.

The BBC has investigated this - and unsurprisingly there was nothing to it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54874120

Here's another:

Tucker Carlson Apologizes for Claiming 96-Year-Old Georgia Voter Was a Dead Man

Fox News host Tucker Carlson opened his show Wednesday by proclaiming that “truth really matters more than ever.” What he was about to report was “not a theory,” he said, adding: “It happened and we can prove it.”

But two days later, he opened with an apology. One of the voters he claimed had cast a ballot from the grave on Friday’s episode—claims that were amplified by the Trump campaign and by members of Congress like Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL)—had not actually done so after all.

The late James Blalock of Newtown County, Georgia, whom he profiled in the earlier episode, had not actually voted in the 2020 presidential election as Carlson claimed. His widow, Agnes Blalock, who votes under the name Mrs. James Blalock, had.

Truth Matters.

“We’ve got some good news tonight, and an apology. One of the people who voted in last week’s election isn’t dead,” Carlson said. “So apologies for that, and of course we’re always going to correct when we’re wrong. And we were.”

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

It ain't over yet.

Maybe but it's more clear every day that we are on the down hill slope.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

My big worry is that as it become certain that Biden will take office, that the more militant Trumpsters will turn violent.

Let's see if the idiots protesting today for Trump are outnumbered by the increasing number of deaths from COVID.

Idiots.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

According to the Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick

“There’s less than 30,000 votes in Georgia and Arizona dividing Biden and Trump. And if those two states turn, if they do, then the Supreme Court could make the decision on Pennsylvania. And then Trump is president."

Only 30,000 votes. What does he mean "if those two states turn"?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Kayleigh McEnany is claiming more than a million marchers have turned out to support Trump in 'the Swamp' of DC.

TV coverage would suggest far fewer.

Did she have a straight face?

 

[acbytesla]

Maybe but it's more clear every day that we are on the down hill slope.

That isn't always a good thing.

 

[Paul2]

Maybe but it's more clear every day that we are on the down hill slope.

I tend to agree. The fact that we're not hearing very much about three state legislatures working to appoint their own slate of electors means that that possibility is coming off the table; or, alternatively, that they attempting that in a secret and competent way that belies every other attempt by Trump to stay in power.

 

[Paul2]

Maybe but it's more clear every day that we are on the down hill slope.

Canvas/certification deadlines:

Georgia: 11/20
Michigan: 11/23
Pennsylvania: 11/23
Arizona: 11/30
Wisconsin: 12/01

Three of those states would have to appoint a new slate of electors for DJT to remain President.

I think that the hypothetical that a challenge to a properly assigned slate of electors, after the vote has been certified and the electors appointed, in place of a legislature appointing their own *before* the properly assigned ones would have been, is infinitesimally likely (but then, 2020 has been extremely unlikely anyway).

 

[jimbob]

Kayleigh McEnany is claiming more than a million marchers have turned out to support Trump in 'the Swamp' of DC.


TV coverage would suggest far fewer.

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@telescoper
Wow. I can see several people.

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Amy Kremer
@AmyKremer
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It’s a party already at the #MarchForTrump in Freedom Plaza!

#MillionMAGAMarch #StopTheSteaI #MillionsMAGAMarch #MillionMAGAMarch2020

https://twitter.com/telescoper/status/1327641894126559234

seems accurate

 

[slyjoe]

Canvas/certification deadlines:

Georgia: 11/20
Michigan: 11/23
Pennsylvania: 11/23
Arizona: 11/30
Wisconsin: 12/01

Three of those states would have to appoint a new slate of electors for DJT to remain President.

I think that the hypothetical that a challenge to a properly assigned slate of electors, after the vote has been certified and the electors appointed, in place of a legislature appointing their own *before* the properly assigned ones would have been, is infinitesimally likely (but then, 2020 has been extremely unlikely anyway).

How many of those legislatures are in session? Wouldn't the governor have to call the legislatures in for a special session to do anything?

ETA: Aren't the only Republican governors in Georgia and Arizona?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I posted in the coup thread the electors scheme ain't happening.

 

[Paul2]

How many of those legislatures are in session? Wouldn't the governor have to call the legislatures in for a special session to do anything?

ETA: Aren't the only Republican governors in Georgia and Arizona?

Regarding the governors: While the Constitution only mentions that the legislatures determine how to appoint electors, the SCOTUS in the past has ruled that the legislature needs to pass a law to do so, which means that the Governor would have to sign the law. IIRC, they also ruled that any such law would have to be passed before the election occurred to which it would apply.

However, with this SCOTUS, YMMV.

ETA: Don't know much about whether anyone is in session or not.

ETA²: Don't know much about the French I took.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

My understanding is the courts have been consistent that an election is run with the rules in place at the time the election occurred.

Do any of these states currently have contingency elector selection plans in statutes or assigned such selection to any institution?

ETA: what Paul2 said

 

[Paul2]

I posted in the coup thread the electors scheme ain't happening.

Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you.

Whew.

On the other hand, it's really hard to believe that anyone in the GOP has a shred of decency, common sense, shared values, commitment to democracy, and likes apple pie.