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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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Donald to speak soon. This could be epic.

So does he continue to throw a tantrum or does he admit there is no way to win?

The suspense is killing me....

Actually, I predict he is going to concede and then all the magats are going to praise him for how gracious he is, and how this just shows he is caring for the American people.
 
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So does he continue to throw a tantrum or does he admit there is no way to win?

The suspense is killing me....

Actually, I predict he is going to concede and then all the magats are going to praise him for how gracious he is, and how this just shows he is caring for the American people.

It will not be about the election, it will be about the Covid-19 vaccine.
 
More's to the point--ballot fraud is like robbing the tellers. The real game, the kind that tanked the economy in '06, is played outside the scope of actually tampering with the voting itself. It's all about manipulating voters' choices, gerrymandering, candidate selection, enabling voting of people favorable to you and suppressing voting of people unfavorable to you.

Nobody's hands are clean in that game, except maybe comparatively. Election security is a need, but convincing people that this is where the fix goes is a misdirection. The other methods are less risky and more effective. Some Many if not most of them can be are done openly.


Minor correction.
 
So the appeals court ruled that PA cannot allow "curing of votes" after Nov 9. The SoS had originally allowed it to go on until the 12th, so this is a "win" for Trump. Kind of. But not much.

First the law:
Federal Law allows voters to fix their ballots for mistakes, like incorrect birthdays or addresses (I saw an example, perhaps in another state, which said that the address had to be hand-written. Which means if you used a pre-printed return address label, it would not qualify; the law allows voters to come in and fix that, and they are allowed to hand-write their address to make the ballot acceptable. Sinister, right?)

The PA supreme court said that this can be done until 6 days after election day. So Nov 9, right? Well, not for sure.

The SoS argued that since mail-in ballots can be accepted if they arrive by Friday, that would be the date to base it on, so she said ballots could be cured until Nov 12.

The court has ruled that, no, that date is Nov 9.

OK, so what does that mean?

It means they aren't allowed to count 1) mail-in ballots with errors that 2) the voter tried to correct after Nov 9.

I haven't seen the official confirmation, but the reports I've seen have said that these votes have not actually been included in the totals yet. So that means that Pennsylvania will not add those votes to the current vote. It will not result in taking any votes away from the current totals (Biden leads by 60K).
Finally, the media has mostly dropped the ball on this, and failed to ask the important question: how many votes are we talking about? The only thing they are saying is to parrot from the press release, which says "It is not enough votes to affect the outcome of the election." That is an understatement.

1) They are not present in the current totals
2) Since they are mail-in votes, they would likely be largely Biden votes, so including them would only make the spread bigger, and
3) How many votes are we talking about anyway?

Remember, these are only mail-in ballots that a) have errors b) that were not corrected by Nov 9 and c) that the voter intended to fix. So what, a dozen, maybe? In the whole state?

I have seen one journalist do their job on this. They asked and they learned that the number of ballots that would be affected in Alleghany county is 0.

You nailed it. Last lines demonstrates how ridiculous this has all been.
 
So does he continue to throw a tantrum or does he admit there is no way to win?

The suspense is killing me....

Actually, I predict he is going to concede and then all the magats are going to praise him for how gracious he is, and how this just shows he is caring for the American people.

4pm EST about project warp speed.

Not a concession speech
 
Finally, the media has mostly dropped the ball on this, and failed to ask the important question: how many votes are we talking about? The only thing they are saying is to parrot from the press release, which says "It is not enough votes to affect the outcome of the election." That is an understatement.

1) They are not present in the current totals
2) Since they are mail-in votes, they would likely be largely Biden votes, so including them would only make the spread bigger, and
3) How many votes are we talking about anyway?

Remember, these are only mail-in ballots that a) have errors b) that were not corrected by Nov 9 and c) that the voter intended to fix. So what, a dozen, maybe? In the whole state?

I have seen one journalist do their job on this. They asked and they learned that the number of ballots that would be affected in Alleghany county is 0.

So its 1 for 20 with the 1 being a meaningless win with no effect on the voted counted.
 
This guy hates being proven wrong even if it is by 78,095,074 voters.

Well, yeah, but only 'cuz California!

:rolleyes:


Seriously, what is up with people who make that particular brain-dead argument against the popular vote? It not only misses the point of how the popular vote works, it misses the point of how addition works.
 
Well, yeah, but only 'cuz California!

:rolleyes:


Seriously, what is up with people who make that particular brain-dead argument against the popular vote? It not only misses the point of how the popular vote works, it misses the point of how addition works.

Speaking of ... there are still ~ 4 million outstanding CA votes. That lead just gonna keep growing :)
 
I started this thread to keep track of developments and be able to debunk various claims as they came up. A few days later, and it doesn't seem like there was much need. It seems like the judge in Wayne County summed it up better than anyone. The people claiming fraud were uninformed and didn't know how the process worked.


I did learn a whole lot more about Benford's Law than I ever thought I would.

And...the conspiracy theories are young. I'm sure we haven't heard the last of the false claims.
 
Weren't some participants in this thread making plans to kill democratic poll watchers?

See? I can make claims without providing any evidence, too.
Are you really not aware? This may be an example of different sides sharing different sets of facts:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/the-lincoln-projects-shameful-attack-on-the-legal-profession/
So, the lawyers and their clients have been getting harassed, put on lists etc and people are trying to make them unemployable.
 
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