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Cont: 2020 Presidential Election part 3

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Skeptic Ginger said:
That's like saying someone doing a very complex math problem with a computer is going to be less accurate than people doing it by hand.

You count several million votes by hand there will be errors.
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It's not complex maths though it's just basic addition.

Yes there will errors in a hand count, there will also be errors in a machine count.

People have this weird disconnect where they attach much more weight to results when they come from a computer, or a counting machine.

In reality there are multiple points at which humans have to interact with the machine to count the ballots.

There could be programming errors, user input errors, etc so all in all I don't see how a hand count is any more or less reliable than a machine count.
 
Wisconsin counties are busy with a "review process".

The results of that review are earth shattering.

59 (out of 72) counties have finished the review, resulting in ... ***drums*** ... 120 more votes for Biden, and 39 more votes for Trump (compared to the unofficial figures posted on the website of the Wisconsin Elections Commission).

The largest change was due to human error:

In Shawano County, Clerk Pamela Schmidt said a municipality initially reported 636 votes for Trump on election night but the correct number was 362. It appeared to be a data entry mistake, she said.

https://twitter.com/byPatPoblete/status/1327250138579001346
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Ambrosia said:
It's not complex maths though it's just basic addition.

Yes there will errors in a hand count, there will also be errors in a machine count.

People have this weird disconnect where they attach much more weight to results when they come from a computer, or a counting machine.

In reality there are multiple points at which humans have to interact with the machine to count the ballots.

There could be programming errors, user input errors, etc so all in all I don't see how a hand count is any more or less reliable than a machine count.
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Variance. It's usually safe to assume that more accurate method would have less variance (not a requirement of course).
 
alfaniner said:
Can the hand recount be completed in less than 10 days?
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No reason why not.

There's 5 million and change in ballots to count - you'd need to count 500k/day.

If it takes an average of 2 minutes to verify and count 1 ballot that'd be 1 million minutes of work per day, there's 8 hours or 480 minutes in a working day.

You'd need ~2100 people counting to get it done.

Adjust up/down as appropriate depending on how long it actually takes to count 1 ballot. Throw enough people at it and you could be done in 2 days.
 
Tero said:
On this conceding. I did not consider one more option. Trump never has to concede and can even continue campaigns to "recount" but as soon as the electoral college votes the thing is done. At this point Trump will announce the 2024 candidacy and sort of admit that "this is how it went" and move on to collect $$$ using 2024 as the reason. He won't make it past the first primary but hey, he had a piggybank for 4 years.
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Can he run in a primary if he's in prison?
 
Ambrosia said:
No reason why not.

There's 5 million and change in ballots to count - you'd need to count 500k/day.

If it takes an average of 2 minutes to verify and count 1 ballot that'd be 1 million minutes of work per day, there's 8 hours or 480 minutes in a working day.

You'd need ~2100 people counting to get it done.
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In a post above, you asked why a hand-count is less reliable. THIS is why.

You need thousands of people counting and to keep track of. Then you have to accurately relay their results.

More moving parts = more potential for mistakes to occur.
 
Paul2 said:
On this conceding. I did not consider one more option. Trump never has to concede and can even continue campaigns to "recount" but as soon as the electoral college votes the thing is done. At this point Trump will announce the 2024 candidacy and sort of admit that "this is how it went" and move on to collect $$$ using 2024 as the reason. He won't make it past the first primary but hey, he had a piggybank for 4 years.
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Can he run in a primary if he's in prison?
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You mean while he is a victim of the deep state, who has sought to imprison him because of his attempts to drain the swamp?
 
Mader Levap said:
I am sure. When Biden becomes POTUS on 20 Jan, Trump will be loser. Used goods. Something to drop in search for new fuhrer.
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Maybe. Maybe his possible legal and/or financial troubles will make a run in 2024 difficult or even impossible.

But one thing I learned these last five years is to not underestimate his appeal on quite a lot of people.
It is beyond my comprehension why that is the case, what so many people see in him, but it's a fact.
 
Dave Rogers said:
I can't imagine how a senior legal advisor could be so incompetent as to think that question was even worth framing.

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My thoughts exactly. I was quickly browsing through, and thought CS was quoting one of the inanities of Trump himself (if in uncharacteristically temperate tone); and then, reading this, checked back and found that's a "senior legal advisor" saying those things. Does Trump make it a point to hire imbeciles like him, people who, like him, hire others to write their tests?
 
Trump's denial of his loss was a foregone conclusion. I am, however, somewhat surprised at some of the Republican "leaders" going along with it, like McConnell and Graham. I keep wondering if Trump's buddy Vlad has provided some kompromat on them.
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
Georgia has no requirement for an automatic recount. A candidate can request a recount if the vote totals are within 0.5%. It's not clear whether the Secr. of State can legally order a recount without a request from one of the candidates.
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I don't know if it's the SoS, but some official in the election apparatus can also request a recount using the same threshold.

I posted a link to the relevant statute somewhere in one of these threads just a day or three ago, but I didn't bother to save it for myself. It isn't hard to find on Google.
 
The Don said:
The need was purely political, not least because the Republican Secretary of State is facing calls for his resignation - presumably because President Trump has lost the state and the Senatorial races are going to a run-off.

With all the voter suppression the GOP has been doing, how could this have possibly have happened unless the Democrats were cheating ?
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Exactly. Especially in a state where the governor only got elected because he was able to get enough Dem votes suppressed when he was running for governor while he was in charge of the elections.
 
Trebuchet said:
Trump's denial of his loss was a foregone conclusion. I am, however, somewhat surprised at some of the Republican "leaders" going along with it, like McConnell and Graham. I keep wondering if Trump's buddy Vlad has provided some kompromat on them.
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What's in it for them ?

McConnell and Graham have a vested interest in keeping Trump's base happy and nothing to lose from continuing to support him.
 
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