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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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BobTheCoward said:
We also don't know if it requires that at this point, what DPI the DMV signatures are, etc
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True.

I just put my techie hat on and ran through the hypotheticals as a thought exercise.

I have created small to mid size relational databases that contained image files with each record. So I understand some of the issues databases have. Keeping record size small use to be a big issue for Microsoft Access and not so much for SQL type databases. And this all dates me as I don't have a clue what they use these days. But I'm guessing Oracle and Microsoft are still big players in that market. Especially when we're talking about a huge database like the DMV.

Now watch, a real progammer will post far more technical response then I did just showing how dated this old man is.

The scanner used by the DMV almost certainly could not be a problem. But software offers a potential issue.

I don't buy it because if I could identify this possible issue, the consultants that set all this up would spot it.
 
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Here is a fraud story that is somewhat funny but somewhat sad.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/12/politics/trump-campaign-georgia-dead-voters-fact-check/index.html

The Trump put out a press release Wednesday with the names of four dead people who voted in Georgia. It was a real press release, not some viral video on the internet. It contained real names. And real obituaries.

And.....no one here ought to be surprised. It was fake news from the Trump campaign. I'll focus on one case. The name of the man was printed in the press release, and you can even read it, but I'll make up a phony name for illustration purposes. The phony name will be James Bennigan. (It's similar to, but not exactly, the name in the press release) And, the voter's name was also James Bennigan.

Mrs. James Bennigan.

His widow.

That's kind of an archaic practice, but it's a thing that people used to do, and I guess some 95 year olds still do it. (She might be a bit younger. He would have been 95.)

So, the Trump campaign didn't bother to find the facts before putting out the press release, and ended up doxxing the living people who actually voted.

And....the news release is still up over at donaldjtrump.com. You can even click on it to donate to the Election Defense Fund.
 
Meadmaker said:
Here is a fraud story that is somewhat funny but somewhat sad.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/12/politics/trump-campaign-georgia-dead-voters-fact-check/index.html

The Trump put out a press release Wednesday with the names of four dead people who voted in Georgia. It was a real press release, not some viral video on the internet. It contained real names. And real obituaries.

And.....no one here ought to be surprised. It was fake news from the Trump campaign. I'll focus on one case. The name of the man was printed in the press release, and you can even read it, but I'll make up a phony name for illustration purposes. The phony name will be James Bennigan. (It's similar to, but not exactly, the name in the press release) And, the voter's name was also James Bennigan.

Mrs. James Bennigan.

His widow.

That's kind of an archaic practice, but it's a thing that people used to do, and I guess some 95 year olds still do it. (She might be a bit younger. He would have been 95.)

So, the Trump campaign didn't bother to find the facts before putting out the press release, and ended up doxxing the living people who actually voted.

And....the news release is still up over at donaldjtrump.com. You can even click on it to donate to the Election Defense Fund.
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This is classic. It is even more ridiculous then that. 2 of the names of voters Trump listed did NOT vote in 2020.
 
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There are multiple lawyers submitting false evidence in multiple courts, all in an effort to screw with a constitutionally mandated election. Am I wrong to believe that this should end in some disbarments?
 
Babbylonian said:
There are multiple lawyers submitting false evidence in multiple courts, all in an effort to screw with a constitutionally mandated election. Am I wrong to believe that this should end in some disbarments?
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Maybe not. :mad:

It seems that when they're actually called on in court to make a statement of fact then the lawyers in question do actually tell the truth.
 
Darat said:
Nope, not how they have been using it because they go on to say "he" and other singular pronouns.
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Come on. Get real.

Trump is filing the lawsuits...except not actually completely technically. It is technically Trump's campaign incorporation under control of Trump who technically actually are filing the lawsuits obviously under the direction and control of Trump.

Trump is filing these lawsuits. The fact that he is doing it through his campaign corporation does not change that fact.

The difference between saying that it is Trump or Trump campaign corporation is only relevant if there is an issue where that distinction is actually relevant.
 
Meadmaker said:
Here is a fraud story that is somewhat funny but somewhat sad.
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That is very typical. People have been claiming that invalid people vote or that dead people are voting for many, many years.

The vast majority of those claims end up being people with the same or similar names or minor clerical errors.

It happens. And there are procedures to deal with these issues.

The fact that some things go wrong in the process does not mean that things go wrong at the end. There are procedures in place to ensure that things go right in the end. Problems along the way are expected. That's why there are procedures to correct them.
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
That is very typical. People have been claiming that invalid people vote or that dead people are voting for many, many years.

The vast majority of those claims end up being people with the same or similar names or minor clerical errors.

It happens. And there are procedures to deal with these issues.

The fact that some things go wrong in the process does not mean that things go wrong at the end. There are procedures in place to ensure that things go right in the end. Problems along the way are expected. That's why there are procedures to correct them.
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The fourth case in the article linked was one of a similar name so not one of fraud at all.

Just more evidence of the utter incompetence of this administration.
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
Come on. Get real.

Trump is filing the lawsuits...except not actually completely technically. It is technically Trump's campaign incorporation under control of Trump who technically actually are filing the lawsuits obviously under the direction and control of Trump.

Trump is filing these lawsuits. The fact that he is doing it through his campaign corporation does not change that fact.

The difference between saying that it is Trump or Trump campaign corporation is only relevant if there is an issue where that distinction is actually relevant.
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There is a huge difference, it makes it sound as if Trump is running something, that he is executing a plan, that he himself is involved. You’ll read all over that “Trump is doing X”. It is very important to me at least to not be sucked into the spin, Trump doesn’t plan anything, Trump doesn’t do anything. His entire life has been other people doing things for him, he is by all evidence incapable of actually doing anything himself. I would rather we keep to the facts and not the PR.

The current law suits are not Trump’s doing, he will not have a clue about what any of them are arguing, what evidence they have even that they are happening. So saying (to paraphrase) “Trump is suing/bringing lawsuits” is simply inaccurate at best.

All Trump is doing is what he always does, flail around having a tantrum and his underlings run around trying to do something to appease him and if it pleases him they will be rewarded by Trump claiming the credit.
 
The Don said:
Maybe not. :mad:

It seems that when they're actually called on in court to make a statement of fact then the lawyers in question do actually tell the truth.
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Hence one lawsuit having been brought because of no Republican observers being allowed to watch the poll counting being thrown out because in court the lawyer admitted that there was a "non-zero number" of Republican observers watching the poll counting.

It's not about winning. It's about creating a false narrative. And, as usual, the suckers are falling for it.
 
Babbylonian said:
There are multiple lawyers submitting false evidence in multiple courts, all in an effort to screw with a constitutionally mandated election. Am I wrong to believe that this should end in some disbarments?
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But they aren’t. That is the spin. We are seeing when we actually get to the court hearing the lawyers for the plaintiffs are stating they are not making an argument about election fraud. They are putting forward a case about flaws, procedures not followed correctly and mistakes.

If they had evidence of electoral fraud they would have handed it to the police as they are the investigators for criminal acts.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
When does the number of frivolous lawsuits and stalling tactics go from 'exercising legal rights under the law' to abusing the legal system?
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These suits are being raised by different people and different organisations i.e. different plaintiffs, it isn’t like it is Trump who is suing in all these cases so there isn’t a single person/organisation that can be penalised.
 
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