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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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surrogate said:
Would that not require somewhere between tens and hundreds of thousands of fraudulent ballots to be ready and waiting across multiple states? Where are the reports of massive amounts of mail ballots that were never received? Should there not be thousands and thousands of people who didn't receive their ballot and tried to vote in person, aside from 1 blind lady who chose not to cast another ballot?

If the majority of fraudulent votes are being cast in the urban democratic areas, wouldn't stealing ballots from these areas result in stealing ballots that were likely to vote for Biden anyway? Are all the democrats who had their ballots stolen keeping quiet because they are all in on it?
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The kick of it is Nevada received this ladies ballot. She had every opportunity to challenge the ballot the state received by signing an affidavit. But she wouldn't do it. That would open whomever might have cast the first ballot to possible charges. This seems much more like someone who wanted the attention but didn't want to face the consequences.
 
Minoosh said:
She refused an opportunity to cast a provisional ballot. The transition proceeded without any tantrums from Obama.
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Yes she did. Further she refused to because it was her belief that her "roommate" had cast her ballot and she didn't want the "roommate" prosecuted. She's much kinder than I would have been in that situation. She could be lying as well.


Of course, the election had been certified and Trump had been certified as the "President Elect". No problem, that's how we transfer power.
Now about Hillary and hissy fits....do you really wanna go there? Wrong thread for that.
 
We all know what Trump and the Republicans think the real voter fraud is. They want Americans to have to earn their vote.

You can earn it by living in a rural county which means you go to church and are the salt of the earth (and likely to vote Republican), or by living in a district with expensive real estate meaning you're a property owner or at least able to pay a high rent (and likely to vote Republican). In those cases you'll find in-person voting to be quick and convenient.

But if you're part of the urban working class or a minority (and likely to vote Democrat) you have to earn it by standing in long lines at inadequate crowded polling places they do their best to make sure are inadequate and crowded.

Mail-in voting bypassed that test. When Trump and the Republicans insist without evidence that all those mail-in votes are insecure or illegal, what they really mean is that they're undeserved.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Yes she did. Further she refused to because it was her belief that her "roommate" had cast her ballot and she didn't want the "roommate" prosecuted. She's much kinder than I would have been in that situation. She could be lying as well.
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So we're talking about 1 vote and she could have challenged that vote. How do you know it wasn't the roommate and in fact was the blind woman? Anyway you look at it this was a pathetic case.
 
Biden seems to be almost sure to win Arizona. Tha will make any shenniagnas on large scale impossible.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Now about Hillary and hissy fits....do you really wanna go there? Wrong thread for that.
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Then why did you bring it up?

She conceded the night of. I don't understand how you can't see that Trump has been throwing public tantrums for 4 years and is still doing it. Hillary is a model of forbearance by comparison, but then, practically anybody would be.
 
surrogate said:
Would that not require somewhere between tens and hundreds of thousands of fraudulent ballots to be ready and waiting across multiple states? Where are the reports of massive amounts of mail ballots that were never received? Should there not be thousands and thousands of people who didn't receive their ballot and tried to vote in person, aside from 1 blind lady who chose not to cast another ballot?

If the majority of fraudulent votes are being cast in the urban democratic areas, wouldn't stealing ballots from these areas result in stealing ballots that were likely to vote for Biden anyway? Are all the democrats who had their ballots stolen keeping quiet because they are all in on it?
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How about 300K?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...adline-check-missing-mail-ballots/6149643002/



Not if you targeted registered Republican voters. In that case you'd hear some complaints and allegations of fraud. You know, kinda like we're hearing now.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Yes she did. Further she refused to because it was her belief that her "roommate" had cast her ballot and she didn't want the "roommate" prosecuted. She's much kinder than I would have been in that situation. She could be lying as well.

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Hope she was only lying, because if she knows that someone committed voter fraud and she covers for them, that's a crime.
 
acbytesla said:
So we're talking about 1 vote and she could have challenged that vote. How do you know it wasn't the roommate and in fact was the blind woman? Anyway you look at it this was a pathetic case.
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Perhaps, but about that signature recognition software that requires minimum 200dpi being loaded with DMV signatures scanned at less than 200dpi not so much.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Perhaps, but about that signature recognition software that requires minimum 200dpi being loaded with DMV signatures scanned at less than 200dpi not so much.
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Even if that claim is true, which you don't know is, you would have to show which ballots it affected. And you couldn't propose a reasonable remedy.

And as someone who sold scanners in the mid 90s I dont buy it. Even at that time even the cheapest scanners were capable of substantially higher resolutions than that.

FYI, Epson today sells a $99 4800dpi scanner.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/epson-...Dw71O8hVNvPLfSj1A73MRB4Sw9ub0S2BoCVzAQAvD_BwE
 
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ChrisBFRPKY said:
How about 300K?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...adline-check-missing-mail-ballots/6149643002/



Not if you targeted registered Republican voters. In that case you'd hear some complaints and allegations of fraud. You know, kinda like we're hearing now.
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You mean the 300k missing ballots that aren't really missing, just not scanned as delivered.


Facts First: There's no evidence that hundreds of thousands of ballots went undelivered. While there were roughly 300,000 ballots that did not have delivery scans, that doesn't mean they weren't delivered. According to the USPS, the lack of delivery scans were a result of ballots that were picked out of the mail stream to speed up their processing.
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Now we have the ballot thieves not only stealing hundreds of thousands of ballots, but also checking them against a database of registered Republicans while in the act. This is one hell of a sophisticated operation you have concocted. You should alert Gibbs and McGee and have them meet up with Ducky after he finishes the Seth Rich autopsy.
 
Myriad said:
Mail-in voting bypassed that test. When Trump and the Republicans insist without evidence that all those mail-in votes are insecure or illegal, what they really mean is that they're undeserved.
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What is really means it is that they're underserved.
 
Meadmaker said:
I mentioned that you would have to be literally insane to expect to get the results that one of the Michigan lawsuits is asking for, so I wondered what they were really trying to accomplish.

One set of answers revolved around the "they don't care as long as the money flows" theory, which makes sense.

Another element of the answer is that their ultimate client, Donald J. Trump, is literally insane. I think he is.
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I could not find the latest Michigan lawsuit. But using quote from media articles I found a similar lawsuit filed today in Wisconsin that uses the same language and is filed by one of the same attorneys.

It is the usual litany of vague minor complaints. An election supervisor was asked by several poll workers about voters who claimed they got mail in ballots they didn't request. A couple poll observers saw someone at the polls who was not a poll worker who was telling the poll workers what to do. There were so many mail in ballots that election workers could have made mistake. And so on...

They ask for a preliminary order to prevent the votes from several counties being certified and pinky swear they will provide actual evidence of actual fraud on a future date.

Their claim is that all these uninvestigated allegations of minor issues causes some voters to feel that the value of their votes might maybe have been diluted by possible fraud. The solution, obviously, to making sure every voter is confident that their vote was fully counted is to throw out millions of legitimate votes.

This is getting silly.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Perhaps, but about that signature recognition software that requires minimum 200dpi being loaded with DMV signatures scanned at less than 200dpi not so much.
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Minoosh said:
Where is your cite for that?
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Now here is where Chris's argument "might" have some merit. (But I doubt it) The DMV database is pretty large. Millions of records and to keep the records manageable they could adjust the setting of the scanner low to keep that field in the record say under 1K.

Now if the voting software that compares signatures requires signature images to be above 200 dpi to work properly and they were scanned in at say 100dpi then Chris is right the software "might" have a problem. My guess though is the resolution on the machines scanning the ballots is far more important.

But if this is a problem in one county in Nevada, it's a problem statewide and this is a possible problem nationwide and could affect every state checking signatures. But it also affects both parties.

And while all that is possible it doesn't prove any ballots are fraudulent. So case dismissed.
 
acbytesla said:
Now here is where Chris's argument "might" have some merit. (But I doubt it) The DMV database is pretty large. Millions of records and to keep the records manageable they could adjust the setting of the scanner low to keep that field in the record say under 1K.

Now if the voting software that compares signatures requires signature images to be above 200 dpi to work properly and they were scanned in at say 100dpi then Chris is right the software "might" have a problem. My guess though is the resolution on the machines scanning the ballots is far more important.

But if this is a problem in one county in Nevada, it's a problem statewide and this is a possible problem nationwide and could affect every state checking signatures. But it also affects both parties.

And while all that is possible it doesn't prove any ballots are fraudulent. So case dismissed.
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We also don't know if it requires that at this point, what DPI the DMV signatures are, etc
 
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