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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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Bob001 said:
That sounds tragic. One of her last acts on earth was to cast her vote, and it didn't even count. Maybe there should be a category of "honorary votes" or something.
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Darat said:
I don't. Given the dead can control the property they owned before they died after they died seems strange to me that their (legally made of course) ballot is no longer counted.
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I think if you can win an election while being dead, then you should certainly be able to vote in an election under similar circumstances.
 
Here comes the long awaited proof of fraud, as tweeted by Donald Trump, Jnr.

My father is going to release information tonight regarding widespread fraud and systemic voting irregularities that will not only put prominent politicians in jail but will also give
@realDonaldTrump
another 4 years in the WH. This was a landslide.
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Meadmaker said:
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Despite that, the State of Michigan should do as much as is reasonable to investigate the allegations contained in his statement and the others as they can. The media should do the same. I'm sure they will.

In general, the Democrats/Biden supporters/left/whoever else wants Biden to win should not flinch from recounts, scrutiny, or Donald Trump exercising his legal rights under the law. There's nothing to fear from recounts, as long as the law is followed.
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When does the number of frivolous lawsuits and stalling tactics go from 'exercising legal rights under the law' to abusing the legal system?
 
Meadmaker said:
Here is a description of one of the Michigan lawsuits.

https://www.mlive.com/politics/2020...ut-12m-votes-flipping-michigan-for-trump.html

I have to wonder what these lawyers really think. Basically, they are saying that they have seen evidence of fraud, therefore all votes from the counties that contain Detroit, Ann Arbor, and Lansing should be discarded.

Assuming they are not literally insane, they know that is not going to happen. So, what's their real goal? What's the end game? I know that it involves sowing doubt about the election, but what are they actually attempting to do? Keep Trump in office by extra-legal means? Merely put a cloud over Trump's successor? I honestly don't get it. One thing that is absolutely certain is that there is absolutely zero chance that they will get what they are asking for, so what is it that they think they might get instead?
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If one assumes their goal is not the same as Trump's—sowing doubt—then that leaves maybe kowtowed by Trump.
 
smartcooky said:
Yeah, this is evidence that AG Mark Brnovich must be a RINO :rolleyes:
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That's a very popular tactic right now.

Republican X doesn't support Trump.

"He's a RINO!!!1!!"

What constitutes a RINO?

"Anyone who doesn't back Trump 11,000%!"

I presume that must apply to the judges Trump has appointed but who are throwing his frivolous lawsuits out. (I think they've gone from frivolous to vexatious and should be treated as such.)
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
When does the number of frivolous lawsuits and stalling tactics go from 'exercising legal rights under the law' to abusing the legal system?
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Judges can decide. Right now, they seem content to just throw out the lawsuits, with perhaps a small bit of ridicule thrown in on top of it.


I was a bit disappointed with the ruling in Pennsylvania, regarding late-cured ballots. It's not that I thought the ruling itself was horrible, but I hate to be able to see the Trump team actually win anything, no matter how small.
 
sackett said:
The believer's catechism:

1. I believe in ballot fraud.
2. Thus, evidence of ballot must exist.
3. But this evidence never comes to light. Therefore
4. SOMEBODY'S COVERING UP!

For ballot fraud, substitute UFOs, or Greys, or healing crystals, or tarot, or

The fun never stops. Well, why would it?
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Because everyone has the right to believe what they want, this validates #1, and therefore the whole thing! Voila!

See how I did that?
 
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acbytesla said:
The Benford's law claim that the election data demonstrates fraud has been debunked and dismembered by mathmaticians. Benford's law doesn't prove fraud but only serves as a tool to spot possible statistical anomalies. There are already YouTube videos that explain this mathematical theory and how it applies to this claim.

Here is one of them posted by an Australian mathematician. Care to look at it Zig?

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You highlight the major point. Benford's Law is only a tool and the tool is only as good as 1) The User and 2) If it is the right situation.

A person could swing the bat of Babe Ruth... but that does not mean he/she will hit a record number of home runs.

If you use that same bat in a round of golf... the chances of having a pretty crappy round of golf are great.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
That's interesting news about Oregon. Have you had any Republicans elected since switching to the mail in system? When was the last time Oregon went Red? Reagan?
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Nice try. The Oregon State Assembly has 38 Democrats and 22 Republicans. We have currently 5 Congressional representatives, one of which is a Republican and 2 Democrat senators. We have had one Republican senator since since 1998, Gordon Smith. Oregon is typically Democrat urban/Republican rural with the Portland metro area dominating.


Some states have signature verification software that requires a minimum of 200 dpi at the machine to read the signature properly. Yet their machines can't read at 200 dpi. Foresee any issues with that? Someone could have had their ballot stolen yet the machine may have recorded the forged signature as valid. That's an issue worthy of correction.
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Citation needed. My search for any such software problem resulted in zero returns.

I'm confident the election will be fair and most fraudulent votes will be removed from the system. Especially since any forged ballots will be identified by the watermark.

About the "Trump and his sycophantic GOP minions and online supporters need to stop spreading false information about massive voter fraud cheating Trump out of this election." part.

I think after hearing about how Trump and Russia stole the election 4 years ago for the entire 4 years since, Beijing Biden supporters should expect no less if their candidate happens to cross the finish line first.
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The trouble with that statement is that the Dems didn't claim the election was 'stolen' from Clinton; the claim was and is that Russia interfered in the election by spreading false information via the internet and that has been well established by our own intelligence agencies. Only Trump and his minions refuse to accept that. Trump claimed that millions of illegal votes were being cast by people being bussed in and people changing hats to vote twice or more times. He was as crazy then as he is now. The difference is that what the Dems claimed was supported by our own Intelligence and what Trump and his GOP sycophants claim is not. In fact, it's being debunked and thrown out of the courts one after the other.
 
TahiniBinShawarma said:
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.pamd.127057/gov.uscourts.pamd.127057.30.0.pdf

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.pamd.127057/gov.uscourts.pamd.127057.1.0_3.pdf

People keep going on about the fraud and ignoring the equal protection aspect in PA. Democrat group's motion to intervene just handed it to team Trump on a platter.
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This wont go over well if they did not afford R's the opportunity to correct their ballots. Among other issues with it.
 

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acbytesla said:
Maybe you don't understand these are just wild ass unproven claims.

Anyone can and often do file meit less lawsuits.
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Problem with that is it's a motion to intervene in Trump's Pa lawsuit by Democrat groups. So who's going to dispute it? Not team Trump. And are you saying the NAACP, BPEP, Common Cause filed " just wild ass unproven claims?"

I can't wait to see the fight between Boockvar and these groups. Should be pretty funny.
 
TahiniBinShawarma said:
Problem with that is it's a motion to intervene in Trump's Pa lawsuit by Democrat groups. So who's going to dispute it? Not team Trump. And are you saying the NAACP, BPEP, Common Cause filed " just wild ass unproven claims?"

I can't wait to see the fight between Boockvar and these groups. Should be pretty funny.
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Sworn under penalty of perjury no less.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18618673/31/9/donald-j-trump-for-president-inc-v-boockvar/

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18618673/31/8/donald-j-trump-for-president-inc-v-boockvar/

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18618673/31/10/donald-j-trump-for-president-inc-v-boockvar/
 
TahiniBinShawarma said:
This wont go over well if they did not afford R's the opportunity to correct their ballots. Among other issues with it.
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Has anyone provided a credible estimate of just how many ballots are affected?

I haven't followed this very closely, but my understanding is that mail in ballots cannot be "cured" if they don't arrive in the secrecy envelope. In Philadelphia, they were notifying voters that their ballots were rejected. In most of the state (i.e. the Republican counties) they weren't.

So a couple of questions come up.

1) How many ballots are we talking about?

Perhaps more importantly:

Does the statute require that the voter not be notified? That would be weird. It seems to me that the "curing" of the ballot refers to cases where a ballot was received, but with some defect (like, for example, a signature mismatch). At that point, the voter comes in. Provides ID. Generally shows that's his ballot, and the ballot is put in the "accepted" pile.

In this case, it sounds like the voter is notified. They come in. They get a new ballot. Problem solved. In other words, the original ballot is discarded, it is not "cured", but the voter still gets to vote.

That would make a whole lot of sense to me, because I can't imagine a crazy interpretation of a law that says it was illegal to vote after you made a mistake on how your ballot was sent in, and it would be only slightly less crazy to say that an election official was not allowed to inform a voter that their ballot was rejected.


I could have the details of the suit wrong, but it won't keep me awake thinking that Donald Trump might win Pennsylvania, much less the election, based on the outcome of the case.
 
TahiniBinShawarma said:
Problem with that is it's a motion to intervene in Trump's Pa lawsuit by Democrat groups. So who's going to dispute it? Not team Trump. And are you saying the NAACP, BPEP, Common Cause filed " just wild ass unproven claims?"

I can't wait to see the fight between Boockvar and these groups. Should be pretty funny.
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You didn't read it did you?

Read it again. Trump (the plaintiff) has filed suit and those groups have requested seats at the defendant's table.
 
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