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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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The_Animus said:
Didn't you know Democrats are so brilliant and competent that they can rig the vote for president across several states with no evidence of having done so while at the same time apparently being so stupid and incompetent that couldn't also rig the senate elections.
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The_Animus said:
Didn't you know Democrats are so brilliant and competent that they can rig the vote for president across several states with no evidence of having done so while at the same time apparently being so stupid and incompetent that couldn't also rig the senate elections.
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It’s like how 9/11 was a meticulously planned and perfectly executed inside job, except they forgot to make the terrorists from the country they planned to invade afterwards.
 
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City of Detroit has filed their response to the claim of voter fraud.

The City of Detroit filed a response in a related state case. It discusses some of the issues the Republican poll watchers observed, and basically says the things they thought were suspicious were the process working as it was supposed to, which they didn't understand...


For example, the city says there was nothing fishy about using 1/1/1900 birthdates in pollbook entries because the system required the use of a birthdate and that's their standard placeholder...

So why weren't poll workers at the TCF Center in Detroit matching ballots against registration lists and checking signatures? Because that had already been done elsewhere as state law requires.
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https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1326591182059737089

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/20404044/response-to-motion-for-tro-final.pdf

Womp womp.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
I think you know my statement about those committee members is factual.

At this point I would advise caution in preselecting the outcome of the election. It's a bit early yet. The media does not get to pick the next President, we have a Constitutional process for that.
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Fortunately, that constitutional process has a deadline, so the Trump team won't be able to drag this out forever.


To be fair, I actually agree with Chris on some level. All of these audits, certifications, recounts and such are in place for a reason. People should be able to question results and, within the limits of the law, challenge them.

So far, Trump is within the limits of the law in doing what he is doing. It might be, as the unofficial President-Elect has stated "an embarrassment" that Trump won't admit defeat, but he is, at this point, still exercising his legal right to take the steps he's taking.

it's annoying, but it's the law.

That doesn't mean I approve. Indeed, his accusations of fraud and his declarations that he actually won all serve to reinforce my view of him as completely unfit for the office. It's one thing to say, "We are committed to following the law of the land, and that law includes our right to contest the announced results. We just want to ensure that the final result is in compliance with the law." It's quite another thing to say, "WAHHHHH! WE WON!!! THEY CHEATED!!!!!" (Those may not be an exact quote, but it's close.)
 
The Great Zaganza said:
that might be interesting if Veritas hadn't been lying every single time.
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That's certainly not true. They do often oversell what they have, I'd go with that. I'm not aware with issues with the raw material they produce. It's not like they are Sacha Baron Cohen.
 
johnny karate said:
Another phony Republican election fraud claim goes up in flames like the bag of dog **** that it is:

Philly’s Republican City Commissioner: No Dead People Voted in This City

This is the same city commissioner who Trump has personally attacked with baseless allegations and is now receiving death threats.

Again, he’s a Republican.
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There is a link to this page from CISA in that article. Its a good page to keep your eye on.

https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol
 
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Meadmaker said:
Fortunately, that constitutional process has a deadline, so the Trump team won't be able to drag this out forever.


To be fair, I actually agree with Chris on some level. All of these audits, certifications, recounts and such are in place for a reason. People should be able to question results and, within the limits of the law, challenge them.

So far, Trump is within the limits of the law in doing what he is doing. It might be, as the unofficial President-Elect has stated "an embarrassment" that Trump won't admit defeat, but he is, at this point, still exercising his legal right to take the steps he's taking.

it's annoying, but it's the law.

That doesn't mean I approve. Indeed, his accusations of fraud and his declarations that he actually won all serve to reinforce my view of him as completely unfit for the office. It's one thing to say, "We are committed to following the law of the land, and that law includes our right to contest the announced results. We just want to ensure that the final result is in compliance with the law." It's quite another thing to say, "WAHHHHH! WE WON!!! THEY CHEATED!!!!!" (Those may not be an exact quote, but it's close.)
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Frivolous lawsuits are not legal; i.e. the law.

These cases are very much in that territory - that's part of why the trump administration is 0 for 1216 so far... ( or more )
 
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shuttlt said:
That's certainly not true. They do often oversell what they have, I'd go with that. I'm not aware with issues with the raw material they produce. It's not like they are Sacha Baron Cohen.
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You're not aware huh? Try here to start. They have cites and links.
 
Another complaint from a poll watcher:

I was told "go back to the suburbs Karen" and other harassing statements.
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I am quite pleased this is a matter of public record, preserved for all of humanity to enjoy.
 
shuttlt said:
No, it's not that is "must be true", but you guys seem to be utterly ignorant about the claims that are being made. At the moment, I agree with you all that it's all quite preliminary and it could be that it all ends up being rebutted.
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Have you read all the submitted law suits linked to in this thread, note not reports or tweets about them but the actual submitted papers?
 
shuttlt said:
Do you at least have a link to a named individual saying this? At the moment all we have is the usual anonymous sources describing what an unseen document says. We've been here before and the record of these things being impartial and objective is *cough* not 100% spotless.
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Link to the 70 affidavits?
 
Meadmaker said:
Fortunately, that constitutional process has a deadline, so the Trump team won't be able to drag this out forever.





To be fair, I actually agree with Chris on some level. All of these audits, certifications, recounts and such are in place for a reason. People should be able to question results and, within the limits of the law, challenge them.



So far, Trump is within the limits of the law in doing what he is doing. It might be, as the unofficial President-Elect has stated "an embarrassment" that Trump won't admit defeat, but he is, at this point, still exercising his legal right to take the steps he's taking.



it's annoying, but it's the law.



That doesn't mean I approve. Indeed, his accusations of fraud and his declarations that he actually won all serve to reinforce my view of him as completely unfit for the office. It's one thing to say, "We are committed to following the law of the land, and that law includes our right to contest the announced results. We just want to ensure that the final result is in compliance with the law." It's quite another thing to say, "WAHHHHH! WE WON!!! THEY CHEATED!!!!!" (Those may not be an exact quote, but it's close.)
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You need to be slightly more careful in your wording Trump has done nothing but tweet. As ever other people are doing the actual work.
 
Darat said:
Link to the 70 affidavits?
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That does seem to be a big part of the problem. shuttlt has been claiming that when we don't know who is making the claim, we can't trust the claim. He's pointed out how wrong media organizations have been over this. What he's glossing over is that the error, fabrication, and outright falsehoods are happening almost exclusively from the media sources he chooses to get his information from, and almost never from the well respected news organizations he keeps disparaging.

He doesn't know who signed any affidavits, what any affidavits say, how many people signed these affidavits, nor how many have already been thrown out of court. But that's not a problem. The problem is that he doesn't know which member of the House Oversight Committee wrote the official communication that shoots down a big claim he was counting on.
 
Chalmers: Good Lord! What is happening in there?

Skinner: Proof of voter fraud.

Chalmers: Uh- proof of voter fraud? At this time of year at this time of day in this part of the country localized entirely within swing states you are losing?

Principal Skinner: Yes.

Chalmers: May I see it?

Principal Skinner: No.
 
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