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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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johnny karate said:
Good news, everyone.

They found fraud:
Postal worker recanted allegations of ballot tampering

He received $136K in bribes donations from Republicans.
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https://nypost.com/2020/11/11/usps-whistleblower-denies-wapo-claim-he-recanted-allegations/


"In a video posted Tuesday evening, Richard Hopkins, a United States Postal Service worker in the must-win swing state, denied taking back his statements when speaking to authorities.

“I’m here to say I did not recant my statements. That did not happen,” said Hopkins, 32."

Richard Hopkins, the Postal worker, has stated the WAPO should recant their article.

And it appears to be another example of fake news by the Washington Post. Now I'll just go ahead and let everyone know in advance that I'm not going to debate whether his allegations are true or false. I'm merely pointing out that you have been had by the WaPo. The evidence of a Postal worker recant is fake news. Why would they do that?
 
Vixen said:
If Giuliani says so, it must be true. The same Giuliani who said it was 'mathematically impossible' for Biden to overtake Trump in the vote counting? That one?
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No, it's not that is "must be true", but you guys seem to be utterly ignorant about the claims that are being made. At the moment, I agree with you all that it's all quite preliminary and it could be that it all ends up being rebutted.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
https://nypost.com/2020/11/11/usps-whistleblower-denies-wapo-claim-he-recanted-allegations/


"In a video posted Tuesday evening, Richard Hopkins, a United States Postal Service worker in the must-win swing state, denied taking back his statements when speaking to authorities.

“I’m here to say I did not recant my statements. That did not happen,” said Hopkins, 32."

Richard Hopkins, the Postal worker, has stated the WAPO should recant their article.

And it appears to be another example of fake news by the Washington Post. Now I'll just go ahead and let everyone know in advance that I'm not going to debate whether his allegations are true or false. I'm merely pointing out that you have been had by the WaPo. The evidence of a Postal worker recant is fake news. Why would they do that?
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Three unnamed people were told by some other unnamed people that the guy who says he didn't recant, recanted.... glad we are keeping to our standard of evidence.
 
Absentee Voter Fraud in New Jersey results in election do-over:

CNN said:
A New Jersey judge invalidated a city council election and ordered a new one after allegations of voter fraud, according to a ruling issued Wednesday.

The May 12 election for Paterson's Third Ward city council was "rife with mail in vote procedural violations," Judge Ernest Caposela said in his ruling, though he left the decision on whether there was voter fraud to the criminal courts.

"It was the right ruling. That past election was fraught with fraud," Mayor Andre Sayegh told CNN. "The City will comply with the judge's decision and we created the Mayor's Election Awareness Team to preserve the value of the vote in Paterson."
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shuttlt said:
Apologies Darat, I don't have ring binders of this stuff.
https://youtu.be/lysRM0q4ikM?t=39
That's Giuliani saying 50-60 poll watchers. I heard he had since upped that to 70, but I don't have a source of Giuliani saying it.
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Remember how well your trust in Giuliani turned out in the Hunter laptop saga?

Earlier you were whining that this forum takes things the newspapers report about Trump at face value while dismissing this issue. Does it ever occur to you that over and over again what the newspapers report is accurate while over and over again the Giulianis and Trumps or the world are caught lying and making stuff up, and so rational people tend to stop trusting the liars but keep trusting the ones who do their best to get it right?
 
Georgia secretary of state announces hand recount of presidential race

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger announced Wednesday his state will conduct a manual hand recount of all ballots cast in the presidential race in the state, as he faces growing pressure from fellow Georgia Republicans over unsubstantiated accusations of voting irregularities and mismanagement of the state's elections.

"This will help build confidence. It will be an audit, a recount and a recanvass all at once," Raffensperger said at a press conference. "It will be a heavy lift."

He said the presidential contest will undergo a risk-limiting audit, which requires a full by-hand recount in each of Georgia's 159 counties.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/georgia-election-hand-recount-audit-presidential-race
 
shuttlt said:
No, it's not that is "must be true", but you guys seem to be utterly ignorant about the claims that are being made. At the moment, I agree with you all that it's all quite preliminary and it could be that it all ends up being rebutted.
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Then why even bring it up?
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
https://nypost.com/2020/11/11/usps-whistleblower-denies-wapo-claim-he-recanted-allegations/


"In a video posted Tuesday evening, Richard Hopkins, a United States Postal Service worker in the must-win swing state, denied taking back his statements when speaking to authorities.

“I’m here to say I did not recant my statements. That did not happen,” said Hopkins, 32."

Richard Hopkins, the Postal worker, has stated the WAPO should recant their article.

And it appears to be another example of fake news by the Washington Post. Now I'll just go ahead and let everyone know in advance that I'm not going to debate whether his allegations are true or false. I'm merely pointing out that you have been had by the WaPo. The evidence of a Postal worker recant is fake news. Why would they do that?
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Wait, the guy who is upset that his GoFundMe page worth some $130k is being held up because he recanted is now claiming that he didn't recant? Yeah, I totally believe him because he has absolutely no motive to lie now that he's about to lose his job.
 
wareyin said:
Wait, the guy who is upset that his GoFundMe page worth some $130k is being held up because he recanted is now claiming that he didn't recant? Yeah, I totally believe him because he has absolutely no motive to lie now that he's about to lose his job.
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And who had been recently disciplined multiple times.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Then why even bring it up?
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Well, I guess it goes back to Skeptic Ginger claiming that the claims were "piddly" and only about insignificant numbers of votes. You guys seemed to be almost completely ignorant about what the claims actually are. Hence I thought maybe it would be worth letting you know what the claims actually are since clearly what ever sources of news you are relying on aren't telling you.

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Fixed member's name.
 
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shuttlt said:
Three unnamed people were told by some other unnamed people that the guy who says he didn't recant, recanted.... glad we are keeping to our standard of evidence.
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Not only 3 unnamed people but also "a statement from a House congressional committee." I'm sure you just missed that part by accident, though.
 
shuttlt said:
Three unnamed people were told by some other unnamed people that the guy who says he didn't recant, recanted.... glad we are keeping to our standard of evidence.
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Maybe try reading the WAPO article in the first place?

But on Monday, Hopkins, 32, told investigators from the U.S. Postal Service’s Office of Inspector General that the allegations were not true, and he signed an affidavit recanting his claims, according to officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe an ongoing investigation. Democrats on the House Oversight Committee tweeted late Tuesday that the “whistleblower completely RECANTED.”

Hopkins did not respond to messages from The Washington Post seeking comment through his social media accounts, family members and phone messages earlier this week. But in a YouTube video he posted Tuesday night, he denied recanting. “I’m here to say I did not recant my statements. That did not happen,” he said.

The standards of WAPO are clearly much higher than the NY post. The officials are not anonymous to the WAPO authors - just to us.

For them to be wrong about hopkins signing an affidavit recanting his claims would be a bigger deal than him lying in a YT video.
 
shuttlt said:
Sure. But then I'm not coordinating any of the court cases, so that isn't particularly surprising.
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Good point. You're just spreading bull **** on an Internet forum and pretending it's meaningful. The meanies here shouldn't make you back anything up. They should just post laughing dog GIFs then ignore you.
 
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