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Cont: 2020 Presidential Election part 3

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acbytesla said:
I think it is a mistake to view all these delusional souls that have bought into Trump's rhetoric as dumb. Sure, many are. It's more that they are conditioned to not fully challenge certain personal positions.
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Oh no, I wasn't talking about Trump followers in particular in this respect. I think there's a rather complex constellation of cognitive and emotional failures that leads to one embracing Trump, and I don't even want to go there.

Some people do put an unnatural onus on abstract evaluations of intelligence, though.
 
eerok said:
Oh no, I wasn't talking about Trump followers in particular in this respect. I think there's a rather complex constellation of cognitive and emotional failures that leads to one embracing Trump, and I don't even want to go there.
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It's really not that at all. It's cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias . The fact is we are all susceptible to it. Every one of us. It's part tribal, part conditioned response
and simply cherry picking. It takes a sort of work to challenge our beliefs and most people do not practice overcoming those positions. It is much easier to ignore what goes against them and accept only what reinforces them.

As someone who spent 30 years in sales I see techniques that Trump employs such as repeating over and over again his lies. Repetition is a cornerstone of sales and marketing. He found a market of individuals who are predisposed to a certain message and he never tries to get them to accept any alternative message.

It's easy to get people to believe what they already believe even if it is wrong. Its close to impossible to get them to believe the opposite even with mountains of evidence. They will always be inclined to dismiss whatever evidence you put in front of them.

I was watching earlier today an interview with Dr. Shermer who wrote Why Smart People believe Weird Things.

I recommend it. But it is 40 minutes long.

https://youtu.be/jLEQCipy6NM
 
acbytesla said:
Not sure what you're saying. A signature is required pretty much everywhere. They'll reject your ballot in Washington State if you don't sign the affidavit that comes with the ballot.

If you vote in person, you sign the registrar.
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He's making it appear that a signature is the only method of securing mail-in ballots. Mail in ballots use a lot of security measures in addition a signature:

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/mail-ballot-security-features-primer
 
alfaniner said:
Not sure if this was posted already, but here's some notes on Twitter's likely action on Jan 20.
Trump's world leader Twitter exemption ends Jan 20.

The official POTUS and related accounts will automatically transfer to President Biden and staff. That's really gonna burn The FPDJT.
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That doesn't mean crap. Twitter's exemptions apply to candidates as well. All Trump has to do is say he's running in 2024 and he's back in their graces.
 
slyjoe said:
That doesn't mean crap. Twitter's exemptions apply to candidates as well. All Trump has to do is say he's running in 2024 and he's back in their graces.
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Does it now?
Does that mean anyone can say they are a candidate to get the exemption? Or maybe they have to file?
 
EvilBiker said:
He’s copying Randi’s Million Dollar Challenge! How rude.
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That's what it made me think of too. I was wondering if it worked in the same way in that he knows that millions dollars is quite safe.
 
slyjoe said:
Good point. The article I read was not clear. I got the impression it would only apply to national offices; someone that could become a "world leader".
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Seems gray. That's fine say three years from now and they file the necessary paperwork. Otherwise anyone over the age of 35 and a US citizen could qualify.
 
eerok said:
This reminds me of the (was it a Financial Post?) article that speculated Trump's IQ based on where he went to school. They didn't factor in how much money was involved in buying his SAT scores, exams, and all the rest. Also I understand he didn't actually go to Wharton.
My conclusion is that those who care so much about arbitrary and speculative standards that are applied to decide who is smart or not aren't too terribly smart themselves.
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He did go to Wharton. He attended the Wharton School which is part of the U of Pennsylvania where he received an undergraduate degree in economics. What he likes people to infer... and often implies... is that he earned the much more prestigious Wharton MBA Business degree.

His sister, Maryanne (the retired federal judge), also claims that she did his homework for him while he was in college and that he paid someone to sit his SAT exam for him.
 
JoeMorgue said:
That's why I'm eating zero crow if the GOP or SCOTUS does smack Trump down hard at some final step and the Trumpers start doing some big "See a check & balance stopped him you were worried about nothing" dance.
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That kind of reminds me of the Goldsboro incident, which AFAIK is the closest thing we've ever had to a non-test nuclear explosion in the US. "Hey, it was nothing, the fourth and final failsafe worked" is hardly something to get excited about.
 
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