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Cont: 2020 Presidential Election part 3

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acbytesla said:
They can't win. They might be able to steal it though. But this absolutely would be the end of democracy in the US.

This said, I want a little message discipline among the Democrats. Every interview and speech should lead with the popular vote margin.

How we are pleased that Four million six hundred forty million more Americans voted for President Elect Joe Biden than Donald Trump.

This election was not close and voice of such a large majority requires to be heard if the United States stands for anything.
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Election is not about majority. That's irrelevant. If Trump actually finds evidence of fraud (which I doubt), no majority would overturn it.
 
Dr.Sid said:
Election is not about majority. That's irrelevant. If Trump actually finds evidence of fraud (which I doubt), no majority would overturn it.
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You don't seem to get it. Trump has NOTHING. He's trying to create doubt by getting every Republican he can to blow the same note. I was cheated, I was cheated. But most Americans don't really understand all of this.

But they do understand large numbers. This isn't about 533 votes that gave Florida to Bush in 2000. This is about almost 5 million Americans voting for Biden. And I pretty much guarantee as they get through absentee ballots in California and NYC this number is going to break 5 million.

This is about what the public hears. Can't let Trump's narrative carry the day so you have to give them another one.
 
turingtest said:
Latest results I'm seeing show Biden with 76.9 million, Trump with 71.8 million. That's five million, a nice, easily-digested round number; and there's no reason to think that margin will get smaller.

So, I agree with your messaging, if for no other reason than that a popular vote margin like that must really get under Trump's skin, given how he reacted to a much smaller one four years ago. "Five million more! That's not a steal, that's a plain defeat."
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I missed this post. I knew it was going to break 5 million. There were too many ballots left in NYC and California to count.
 
turingtest said:
Latest results I'm seeing show Biden with 76.9 million, Trump with 71.8 million. That's five million, a nice, easily-digested round number; and there's no reason to think that margin will get smaller.

So, I agree with your messaging, if for no other reason than that a popular vote margin like that must really get under Trump's skin, given how he reacted to a much smaller one four years ago. "Five million more! That's not a steal, that's a plain defeat."
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Do you have a cite? Wikipedia was last updated at around noon.

Also, this isn't about getting under his skin it's about what the media leads with.
 
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phiwum said:
I don't think they are courting disaster.

The fact is that even if all this bluster amounts to nothing, many folks will still believe the election was stolen. The GOP fought the good fight against evil, even if they were thwarted. This defeat will be remembered.

It's not as if the bulk of Republicans think that endless Benghazi hearings were a waste of time or that Hillary was innocent of whatever nefarious scheme that was about.
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That's actually a pretty good point. The idea (or hope) that there probably won't be any real future effects from the well-poisoning of the electoral process the GOP is indulging in for political gain right now is kind of belied by the possibility (at least) that this **** show right now is an effect of the well-poisoning they've been indulging in for political gain for at least eight years. That future is now...
 
BobTheCoward said:
The two different methods receive different levels of scrutiny. For example, you have to show an ID in person but a signature is acceptable on a mail in in the same state.
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acbytesla said:
This is also true in pretty much every state.
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Not in California. If you vote by mail or in person, a signature is required. That's all, so the two vote validation methods are really only one.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I guess that's a difference - I don't see there being any cost other than the space you give it in your head. All of Trump's bitching and posturing will, at best, introduce some delay. It's a distraction and a waste of time. But it has no material impact on the welfare of the country, nor does it have any affect on the future of the country. It's mostly annoying and embarrassing.
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OMG! :jaw-dropp

Do you live in in a cave?

Maybe there are no Trumpers where you are showing up to demonstrate in camo with their rifles slung over their shoulders. Around here while murders have been limited to one or two at a time, that may not hold when their QAnon romper-room leader exits the WH.
 
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SezMe said:
Not in California. If you vote by mail or in person, a signature is required. That's all, so the two vote validation methods are really only one.
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Not sure what you're saying. A signature is required pretty much everywhere. They'll reject your ballot in Washington State if you don't sign the affidavit that comes with the ballot.

If you vote in person, you sign the registrar.
 
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acbytesla said:
But they do understand large numbers. This isn't about 533 votes that gave Florida to Bush in 2000. This is about almost 5 million Americans voting for Biden. And I pretty much guarantee as they get through absentee ballots in California and NYC this number is going to break 5 million.
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I think the flaw in that reasoning is the large numbers of Americans that simply don’t believe those numbers are legitimate.

Just today I saw a petition calling for a recount or a new election outright.

And a pickup with “2020 Fraud Election” painted on the rear window.

And numerous Facebook posts calling the election fraudulent.

For those folks, no number, no matter how large, will be seen as legitimate.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
OMG! :jaw-dropp

Do you live in in a cave?

Maybe there are no Trumpers where you are showing up to demonstrate with their rifles slung over their shoulders. Around here while murders have been limited to one or two at a time, that may not hold when their QAnon room-leader exits the WH.
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Yeah, this a crapstand beyond belief. It's insane.
 
phiwum said:
I don't think they are courting disaster.

The fact is that even if all this bluster amounts to nothing, many folks will still believe the election was stolen. The GOP fought the good fight against evil, even if they were thwarted. This defeat will be remembered.
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And Bingo was his name-o.
 
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