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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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Armitage72 said:
It really feels like they want to try for an electoral version of "fruit of the poisonous tree", as if there were such a thing.
"Ha! These 15 votes are invalid due to a technicality. You have to negate every vote cast for Joe Biden in the entire state now! We win!"
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That is precisely what Maxine Waters did during the Bush/Gore votes that came from Florida.
 
Meadmaker said:
There's a new lawsuit filed in Wayne County, Michigan, today. (Wayne County is home of Detroit.) Various allegations by at least one employee and a few poll watchers. I heard about in on Hannity, so of course I don't trust him to report it accurately.

I found myself in the car, so I decided to listen to his monologue. Thirty minutes of word salad. Throw everything in the mix just in case something sticks. What I especially liked was his quite self righteous tone about how it was so very important to have trust in elections, while he was trying to tear down trust in elections.


Oh, well. I agree with Mitch McConnell on one thing. Donald Trump and everyone else has a 100% right to file lawsuits and contest the results, within the law. And judges have a 100% right to dismiss them without trial if there's no case presented worth listening to.

I'll try to examine the Wayne County suit. Hannity quoted the Detroit Free Press, so it should be pretty easy to find info.
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And a judge dismissed the contested election which took place in 1982 Chicago where eventually 65 individuals were indicted for fraud and 63 were convicted.
 
shuttlt said:
What form do you want the evidence in? Take the widely publicised claim of poll watchers being told to leave because there was going to be no more counting only for there to be no more counting. Do you need me to personally present the poll watcher to you for inspection so you can cross examine them? This is ridiculous.
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johnny karate said:
Do you accept claims as evidence?
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johnny karate said:
Bump for shuttit.
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Another bump for shuttit.
 
shuttlt said:
If half the country believed ServiceSoon was a paedophile, maybe having an investigation, if only to refute the claim to the greatest extent possible, would be a good idea?
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johnny karate said:
What’s the minimum number of people who need to believe without evidence that you are a pedophile before you are comfortable with the police investigating you for it?
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johnny karate said:
Bumped for shuttit, as it appears you missed this post.

You have argued that if enough people believe something without evidence then we should proceed is if that thing might be true, regardless of the lack of evidence.

The upper threshold you’ve placed on this seems to be “half the country”.

I’m trying to determine the lower threshold.

How many people would need to believe that you are a pedophile without evidence before it would be appropriate to launch a criminal investigation into your alleged pedophilia?
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Another bump for shuttit.
 
Here's one of my favorite Americans, whom I followed a bit less lately because of what I consider her TDS (also she recently became mother for the first time!), Abby Martin, talking to a judge about the legalese:


I really can't say nothing profound beside that this is a mess. And yeah, consider my signature. You are picking the wrong enemy if you pick red or blue.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/postal-worker-fabricated-ballot-pennsylvania/2020/11/10/99269a7c-2364-11eb-8599-406466ad1b8e_story.html

Imagine my shock. Telling ******** conspiracy theories to Project Veritas is one thing, but lying under oath to a federal investigator is another.



Telling facebook boomers what they want to hear remains a profitable endeavor.
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That's some racket! One wonders if he got the $25k Project Veritas was offering as well. $160k to make a claim then recant it. Easy money, unless/until he faces charges over it.
 
Not clear why anyone would expect Benford's law of first digits to apply where you are dealing with precincts manipulated to be of fairly uniform size and where the first digit has a severely restricted range.

I found this paper on the second-digit Benford's law and election fraud.

'We focus on the second digit because Brady (2005) and Mebane (2006b) reasonably argue that the more or less constant precinct size can cause significant deviation from Benford’s Law. Imagine a situation with about 1000 voters per precinct and voter preferences between 40 % and 50 % in all precincts of the analyzed constituency. This would result in an over proportional number of 4s as first digits without any intervention of fraud.'


They tested the second-digit law on 2009 German elections where no serious allegations of fraud had been raised and found that the distributions of vote counts returned at precinct level did not consistently follow the assumptions of the law, but simulated vote counts did.
 
johnny karate said:
Another bump for shuttit.
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Oh, I gave an answer before that I thought satisfied this. There are two answers, there is what the procedure says and I would imagine that would depend on the specific laws and procedures in what ever the place is we are talking about.... and there is the political answer which is it depends. Ultimately when things are this divided the political side of the question becomes increasingly important.
 
johnny karate said:
Bump for shuttit.
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What? The right is claiming fraud, hence they are disputing the result represents the "voice of the people". Almost certainly you have a different definition to the right about what the voice of the people is, but none the less it is a disagreement about what the voice of the people has said. Hence, by assuming what the voice of the people is saying you are assuming your own conclusion.
 
More than a decade ago I came here to tell you that it is here where the game will be decided. More than a decade later you just watched clown against clown in a rigged game. Do something about it. It's only you who can do something about it.
 
shuttlt said:
What? The right is claiming fraud, hence they are disputing the result represents the "voice of the people". Almost certainly you have a different definition to the right about what the voice of the people is, but none the less it is a disagreement about what the voice of the people has said. Hence, by assuming what the voice of the people is saying you are assuming your own conclusion.
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The Republican Secretary of State of Georgia (the man in charge of the GA elections) is not claiming fraud. In fact he's claiming the opposite. Which Republicans are claiming their own State vote was fraudulent?

Until you can provide any, I don't think you get to claim that "the right" is claiming fraud. Trump is claiming fraud, and his more gullible supporters are following him. That's it.
 
Childlike Empress said:
More than a decade ago I came here to tell you that it is here where the game will be decided. More than a decade later you just watched clown against clown in a rigged game. Do something about it. It's only you who can do something about it.
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Meh. A little over a week ago you were claiming Trump had it in the bag. You cheer for Putin getting some 90% of the vote in clearly rigged elections. I don't think your prognostication or your understanding of the situation are worth following.
 
Well?

johnny karate said:
Another bump for shuttit.
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Why do you keep going on about evidence? What IS evidence? Facts? The world is full of facts. Are they ALL just so much evidence? Then the world, yes, the entire WORLD, is brimfull of your evidence.

And yet, do YOU have any of this evidence, these everlasting FACTS that you demand? No, your hands are empty. Yet you bray for evidence from the gallant Knights of Trump, whose battle- torn stars and bars yet wave o'er the land of the

of the

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muh, you lousy stinky cheaty rat!
 
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