Cont: 2020 Presidential Election part 3

[DevilsAdvocate]

The trump PA lawsuit filed in federal court today argues mail in voting violates equal protection, and the PA election officials should be barred from certifying the election.

Oh, good gravy. It appears his argument is that mail votes violate the equal protection clause because they cause people to distrust the election results because Trump has spent months telling people to distrust the mail votes and election results.

It is an 86 page filing!

What a frivolous Gish gallop.

 

[Meadmaker]

Yep. According to Trumps' Officail Election Defense Fund:



For any donation, 40% goes to the RNC. The other 60% goes to Trump's campaign debt, and only goes toward paying for a recount if the debt is first paid off.

Trump says he will be holding rallies to gain support for a recount. The only purpose of such rallies would be to get donations. People will donate thinking their money will be spent on a recount, but it will be spent paying the campaign debt so that Trump doesn't have to pay it.

Trump is playing golf because he has no idea what to do other sic some lawyers out to do...something...and drag this out to con his supporters out of more cash.

Just when you think he can't go any lower....

 

[acbytesla]

Oh, good gravy. It appears his argument is that mail votes violate the equal protection clause because they cause people to distrust the election results because Trump has spent months telling people to distrust the mail votes and election results.

It is an 86 page filing!

What a frivolous Gish gallop.

Huh? Almost EVERY single state has mail in votes. How could that violate the Equal Protection clause? That is a bizarre argument.

 

[Meadmaker]

Huh? Almost EVERY single state has mail in votes. How could that violate the Equal Protection clause? That is a bizarre argument.

Ever read Bush v. Gore? Sometimes, bizarre arguments work......although I think this one is a fair bit beyond that one, under circumstances less likely to win as well.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

while I yield to no one in my paranoia about the election might still be stolen, the presumed lack of evidence of fraud significant enough to change an outcome in a state is a barrier that can’t be overcome, I think. This is probably just Riling up the base, akin to the investigations that go nowhere. I hope.

Trump fantasizing that he won, he couldn't have lost, is feeding the flames. It soothes his worried mind to have that fantasy echoed back at him.

 

[crescent]

Oh, good gravy. It appears his argument is that mail votes violate the equal protection clause because they cause people to distrust the election results because Trump has spent months telling people to distrust the mail votes and election results.

It is an 86 page filing!

What a frivolous Gish gallop.

This whole thing is just an endless Gish gallop. On a loop. Every accusation, or strange thing, statistical anomaly, they all get explained. But not fast enough.

Somehow, the fact that all the earlier things have been debunked, it never makes the Trump supporters skeptical of the next batch of Gish that comes along.

 

[timhau]

I wonder if it’s as irritating as your habit of scolding people from your disingenuously assumed position of the reasonable middle?

If one side claims Bigfoot is real and the other side claims it isn't, surely the reasonable position is that there is a size-10 bipedal ape roaming the North American wilderness.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

trump Tweets

This is good news, it means I won! cc: @RepDougCollins @SecretarySonny
Quote Tweet

Brian Kemp
@BrianKempGA
Georgia's election result will include legally cast ballots - and ONLY legally cast ballots. Period.

 

[Delvo]

I don't think the Four Seasons thing was a mistake. I think it was a miserable underling lashing out at terrible bosses.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Trump Tweets

Ken Starr: Pennsylvania Ballot Extension 'Constitutional Travesty'
The disputed Pennsylvania ballot extension forced by state courts over the legislature is a "constitutional travesty," according to famed prosecutor Ken Starr."
newsmax.com

Wasn't it the other way around? [too tired to check]

 

[Meadmaker]

I don't think the Four Seasons thing was a mistake. I think it was a miserable underling lashing out at terrible bosses.

On their website you can buy a mask with "Lawn and Order" and "Make America Rake Again".

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Trump Tweets

The @US_FDA and the Democrats didn’t want to have me get a Vaccine WIN, prior to the election, so instead it came out five days later – As I’ve said all along!

I posted something like this somewhere, Trump would claim it was a Big Pharma CT.

Yep, I said it here.

Next comes the Tweet that the vaccine manufacturers owe him because of all the money he gave them (Trump always believes it's his money).

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I think they are. But they must be separated. In other words, the court reserves the right to revoke them and readjust the count. The judge sort of punted.

And the ballots were held out before the judge told them to do it.

 

[acbytesla]

Ever read Bush v. Gore? Sometimes, bizarre arguments work......although I think this one is a fair bit beyond that one, under circumstances less likely to win as well.

Bush v Gore was an abomination. That said, the optics were on their side. I remember very well the recounting of the ballots and three people looking at ballots up to the light. It added the words "hanging chad" to our lexicon. It was also a court case to stop a recount that would overturn an election where the popular vote contest was close.

This ain't that. In this case all 4 networks called it for Biden. He has a 4+ million vote margin. Trump is trying to overturn the results in 4 states and the arguments are far more ridiculous than Bush v Gore.

 

[acbytesla]

And the ballots were held out before the judge told them to do it.

I've been informed of that. See further down the thread.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I'm not convinced Trump is seriously still trying to "win". It looks like what he'd be doing if it were another of his scams: pretend to need to do a bunch of lawsuits, raise money to pay for them because he's not actually the mountain of money he's supposed to be, keep the money. The main reason to doubt this is the reports that people in the White House have been describing him as reacting like his denial is real and they can't get him to acknowledge reality. I suppose it could be both: he thinks he has a real case and he (or someone else working for him) is just taking advantage of the situation anyway.

Pretty much it's his mental disorder causing the denial and the rest follows.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Huh? Almost EVERY single state has mail in votes. How could that violate the Equal Protection clause? That is a bizarre argument.

The two different methods receive different levels of scrutiny. For example, you have to show an ID in person but a signature is acceptable on a mail in in the same state.

 

[acbytesla]

The two different methods receive different levels of scrutiny. For example, you have to show an ID in person but a signature is acceptable on a mail in in the same state.

This is also true in pretty much every state.

 

[BobTheCoward]

This is also true in pretty much every state.

Yes.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Bush v Gore was an abomination. That said, the optics were on their side. I remember very well the recounting of the ballots and three people looking at ballots up to the light. It added the words "hanging chad" to our lexicon. It was also a court case to stop a recount that would overturn an election where the popular vote contest was close.

This ain't that. In this case all 4 networks called it for Biden. He has a 4+ million vote margin. Trump is trying to overturn the results in 4 states and the arguments are far more ridiculous than Bush v Gore.

IIRC (no guarantee these days) the biggest mistake Gore made was not asking for a statewide recount. The details are fuzzy.