Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

[smartcooky]

So far, all of the so-called evidence of election fraud that I have seen appears to be similar in nature to the evidence moon landing deniers put up when they claim that Apollo was faked..

- That shadow looks wrong, therefore fake
- No stars in the sky, therefore fake
- This lighting doesn't look right, therefore fake

These are anomalies that the claimants are often unable to understand because they are too ill-informed (and in some cases, too stupid to understand.

Same applies here; just because something looks wrong or does not meet someone's personal expectations of what it should look like, does not mean fraud has taken place... its not evidence of fraud, its only evidence that the person fails to understand.

 

[Meadmaker]

@ktbenner


NEW: Richard Pilger, the official who oversees election crimes has stepped down over Barr's memo:
“Having familiarized myself with the new policy and its ramifications… I must regretfully resign from my role as Director of the Election Crimes Branch.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/us/politics/barr-elections.html

Whoa.

Uhh, i guess my assessment that the memo was no big deal is probably wrong. I'm guessing that this dude Pilger probably knows more about it than I do.


(However, as of today, I'm guessing I know more than he does about Benford's Law.)

 

[acbytesla]

This leads me to continue to believe the Barr memo is more significant than some people are asserting.

I'm not asserting anything other than the memo says to follow up on credible evidence of election fraud. I would assume that the different Districts would do that anyway.

I'll start getting concerned when actual investigations are launched and real evidence is uncovered. Otherwise,I'll try to relax and have a drink or two.

 

[slyjoe]

Whoa.

Uhh, i guess my assessment that the memo was no big deal is probably wrong. I'm guessing that this dude Pilger probably knows more about it than I do.


(However, as of today, I'm guessing I know more than he does about Benford's Law.)

I bet you do too

 

[Meadmaker]

4 years to late to make that argument. The other side sees Democrats as having done precisely that for 4 years.

I think some of the things said by Democrats, especially by rank and file, in the street sorts of Democrats, have contributed to the destruction of American democracy.

And, of course, democracy has not been destroyed, but I think it's weaker than it was four years ago. I think the damage Trump is doing right now is greater than all of what anyone on the left did over the last four years.

That's going to take an investigation. At the moment the evidence is the same as there was in 1960 where there was some pretty spectacular shenanigans going on in Chicago.

Well, yes, and if Trump were only calling for an investigation I might give him a pass. That's not it, though. He's saying he won Wisconsin. He is saying there was fraud. He is making accusations, not calling for investigations.

He's dangerous.

 

[smartcooky]

If anyone had any credible evidence, they would present it to a Judge.
The fact that trumpers only present their claim's to the public is strong evidence that they've got nothing.

And so far, almost everything they HAVE presented to a judge has been tossed out.... they are 0 for 10.

The only thing that wasn't tossed was a request for some PA provisinal ballot to be segregated and not counted in the results, which Judge Alito approved, but since PA was already doing that anyway, it hardly counts as a victory.

 

[TahiniBinShawarma]

Ok, but I haven't heard of any that had first hand witnesses. Every one presented so far has been a claim of what someone was told someone else saw.

Do you have any firsthand witness claims?


(Please let it be the New Jersey resident, convicted sex offender, and perennial candidate that Giuliani trotted out claiming to be a Philadelphia resident and poll watcher!)

There are supposedly election workers, city workers, postal workers etc with first hand knowledge. I don't know the merits. I expect we would get a look at the allegations at some point soon.

The strategy seems to be to get a case in each state they want to contest so that they can go for discovery and inspect the ballots/software/machines etc. That and a lot of the legislatures are Republican, so they are going to dip their feet in as well.

However unlikely I think they have a shot. Barr met McConnell today and McConnell went on the floor and basically said its not over till the fat lady sings. Then Barr puts the memo out and then Pilger steps down. I don't think it's as cut and dried as most here think. Whether you call it "stealing" or not, it wouldn't surprise me. Especially if the Supreme Court gets involved. 3 of them worked on the Bush/Gore recount. Biden was chairman for Thomas's confirmation that went so well. Kavanaugh got the Thomas treatment etc. The conservatives control the court. So, I'm not ruling out anything.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

You know, if you guys on the political left had the ability to take a step back and actually view things from outside of your own belief bubble, you might acknowledge that it doesn't really look that great as a movement to:

1.) Have elements within that have burned down countless businesses, looted, and attacked people for appearing to be political opponents or being the wrong race or owning a business and trying to defend it, and that this element is not disavowed in any substantial way by most of your most prominent figures.

2.) Is trying to rush the other side to concede when there are automatic recounts and, if nothing else, at the very least an unprecedented number of mail in ballots which certainly represents a challenge to the system and existing infrastructure. You demanded Al Gore be given his proper time to contest the results in Florida, and not be rushed. No matter how much veracity you think there may be in some of these claims going around about fraud, it seems to be uncontested that software used in like 28 states had a glitch in at least one county that flipped 6,000 votes back and forth, to Biden then back. At a bare minimum, it seems to me that any reasonable person would agree that we need to ensure this glitch didn't happen in other places across the country in a way that might've impacted the election.

3.) Your side are actively working to impede efforts at reporting instances of election problems and laughing about it.

But yeah, don't worry, it's all good because you're "on the right side of history."

As you openly celebrate the transfer of control and majority population share from one racial group to a bunch of others you are simultaneously encouraging to hate and resent the first group.

ETA: Immediately after posting this, I saw this on Twitter:

BREAKING EXCLUSIVE--> System 'Glitch' Also Uncovered In Wisconsin - Reversal of 19,032 Votes Removes Lead from Joe Biden
@JoeHoft
via
@gatewaypundit

 

[TahiniBinShawarma]

Whoa.

Uhh, i guess my assessment that the memo was no big deal is probably wrong. I'm guessing that this dude Pilger probably knows more about it than I do.


(However, as of today, I'm guessing I know more than he does about Benford's Law.)

LOL

 

[slyjoe]

There are supposedly election workers, city workers, postal workers etc with first hand knowledge. I don't know the merits. I expect we would get a look at the allegations at some point soon.

The strategy seems to be to get a case in each state they want to contest so that they can go for discovery and inspect the ballots/software/machines etc. That and a lot of the legislatures are Republican, so they are going to dip their feet in as well.

However unlikely I think they have a shot. Barr met McConnell today and McConnell went on the floor and basically said its not over till the fat lady sings. Then Barr puts the memo out and then Pilger steps down. I don't think it's as cut and dried as most here think. Whether you call it "stealing" or not, it wouldn't surprise me. Especially if the Supreme Court gets involved. 3 of them worked on the Bush/Gore recount. Biden was chairman for Thomas's confirmation that went so well. Kavanaugh got the Thomas treatment etc. The conservatives control the court. So, I'm not ruling out anything.

See that word? That's the problem. As others have pointed at, they all fall apart (affidavits). Present the evidence if there is any.

 

[TahiniBinShawarma]

From a former Federal Prosecutor

"@shipwreckedcrew

Here is the tension between Barr and the Election Crimes Br. Chief. Barr authorized US Attorneys to conduct investigations. Public Intergrity Section at DOJ claims that turf as its own. Public Integrity wrote a manual saying their approval is required. Barr overrode."

 

[TahiniBinShawarma]

See that word? That's the problem. As others have pointed at, they all fall apart (affidavits). Present the evidence if there is any.

I haven't made a determination either way BECAUSE I haven't seen them. You should probably do the same.

 

[johnny karate]

You know, if you guys on the political left had the ability to take a step back and actually view things from outside of your own belief bubble, you might acknowledge that it doesn't really look that great as a movement to:

1.) Have elements within that have burned down countless businesses, looted, and attacked people for appearing to be political opponents or being the wrong race or owning a business and trying to defend it, and that this element is not disavowed in any substantial way by most of your most prominent figures.

2.) Is trying to rush the other side to concede when there are automatic recounts and, if nothing else, at the very least an unprecedented number of mail in ballots which certainly represents a challenge to the system and existing infrastructure. You demanded Al Gore be given his proper time to contest the results in Florida, and not be rushed. No matter how much veracity you think there may be in some of these claims going around about fraud, it seems to be uncontested that software used in like 28 states had a glitch in at least one county that flipped 6,000 votes back and forth, to Biden then back. At a bare minimum, it seems to me that any reasonable person would agree that we need to ensure this glitch didn't happen in other places across the country in a way that might've impacted the election.

3.) Your side are actively working to impede efforts at reporting instances of election problems and laughing about it.

But yeah, don't worry, it's all good because you're "on the right side of history."

As you openly celebrate the transfer of control and majority population share from one racial group to a bunch of others you are simultaneously encouraging to hate and resent the first group.

Here’s you, openly advocating for state-sanctioned mass murder:

I wish the police were just straight up opening fire on these groups of protestors at this point

 

[slyjoe]

I haven't made a determination either way BECAUSE I haven't seen them. You should probably do the same.

I'm basing my view on history. The affidavits so far are a joke.

 

[johnny karate]

I haven't made a determination either way BECAUSE I haven't seen them. You should probably do the same.

We’ve seen at least one. It was laughed out of court. There’s no reason to believe the others won’t be, too.

 

[TahiniBinShawarma]

I'm basing my view on history. The affidavits so far are a joke.

You have all the affidavits? Could you link them, I'd like to see them.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

Here’s you, openly advocating for state-sanctioned mass murder:

"Oh yeah? You just pointed out that the club I'm part of seems to be comprised of like 10% cannibal rapist puppy killers? Well, checkmate - remember when you said this?!?!

Cannibal rapist puppy killers should be shot

GOTCHA!!!"

 

[Meadmaker]

BREAKING EXCLUSIVE--> System 'Glitch' Also Uncovered In Wisconsin - Reversal of 19,032 Votes Removes Lead from Joe Biden
@JoeHoft
via
@gatewaypundit

Well that would be a pretty big deal. Pity gatewaypundit didn't cite a source, but I'm sure we'll see it popping up elsewhere, if it's real, and on Twitter, if it's not.

 

[TahiniBinShawarma]

Well that would be a pretty big deal. Pity gatewaypundit didn't cite a source, but I'm sure we'll see it popping up elsewhere, if it's real, and on Twitter, if it's not.

Would be big indeed. A lot of talk is about the software used to tally the votes. Dominion software. Although Hoft is a blowhard lol.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Well that would be a pretty big deal. Pity gatewaypundit didn't cite a source, but I'm sure we'll see it popping up elsewhere, if it's real, and on Twitter, if it's not.

I tried figuring out what they were thinking. Apparently it has to deal with fox news election website numbers reporting on election night.

This is like the 100,000 votes for Biden and zero for Trump thing. Why are people treating these sites like they are official?