Cont: 2020 Presidential Election part 3

[Paul2]

What makes you think legislatures get their orders from governors? I'm not sure where you live, but that isn't how it works in the U.S.

because they’d need to pass legislation to do that, and the G’s signature is requires on a bill.

 

[TahiniBinShawarma]

while I yield to no one in my paranoia about the election might still be stolen, the presumed lack of evidence of fraud significant enough to change an outcome in a state is a barrier that can’t be overcome, I think. This is probably just Riling up the base, akin to the investigations that go nowhere. I hope.

Well that's the thing, what we think doesn't really matter. What matters is if enough legislatures ask for a full audit or hand recount.

"the presumed lack of evidence of fraud significant enough to change an outcome "

all depends on the margin of victory for each state, and the challenges. It's going to get ugly.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Are these among the things you have in mind when you shill for Dear Leader's innocent intentions?

Varwoche, I get tired of you immediately dropping into an insinuation that I'm a Trump supporter. I'm not, and it's very irritating.

 

[Paul2]

Well that's the thing, what we think doesn't really matter. What matters is if enough legislatures ask for a full audit or hand recount.

"the presumed lack of evidence of fraud significant enough to change an outcome "

all depends on the margin of victory for each state, and the challenges. It's going to get ugly.

Again, where are you getting that a legislature has any power past what a governor would sign off on with regard to an election?

 

[TahiniBinShawarma]

because they’d need to pass legislation to do that, and the G’s signature is requires on a bill.

Legislatures don't need to pass anything to look into an election that they are constitutionally required to certify. It's their job regardless of whether the governor wants it or not.

 

[slyjoe]

To my knowledge this is incorrect. State officials, not the legislature, carries out the certification. Happy to see contrary evidence.

In general, it is the Secretary of State.

 

[slyjoe]

Legislatures don't need to pass anything to look into an election that they are constitutionally required to certify. It's their job regardless of whether the governor wants it or not.

Show an example of where a legislature certifies election results.

 

[johnny karate]

Varwoche, I get tired of you immediately dropping into an insinuation that I'm a Trump supporter. I'm not, and it's very irritating.

I wonder if it’s as irritating as your habit of scolding people from your disingenuously assumed position of the reasonable middle?

 

[Paul2]

Legislatures don't need to pass anything to look into an election that they are constitutionally required to certify. It's their job regardless of whether the governor wants it or not.

the Leg. doesn’t certify an election. Where are you getting that. Be specific.

 

[varwoche]

Varwoche, I get tired of you immediately dropping into an insinuation that I'm a Trump supporter. I'm not, and it's very irritating.

All readers have to go by are the words you write.

Do you take those things into mind when you proclaim his good intentions? A simple yes/no will suffice.

 

[Venom]

I think he's a bombast and a blowhard, who likes to make a lot of noise, but I don't personally think he ever had any intention of trying to become a dictator. Just like I also never worried that he would wake up in the night and launch a nuclear strike on a whim. Or like I never worried about the roving gangs of Trump supporters who were going to start hunting down and beating gay people in Capitol Hill.

Do wannabe dictators ever come out and explicitly say they want to be dictator? You never were worried that his followers wanted him to essentially be dictator?

 

[TahiniBinShawarma]

the Leg. doesn’t certify an election. Where are you getting that. Be specific.

Memory, isn't that what was hoped would be done last time with Trump beating Clinton? That because he didn't win the popular vote that legislatures should send electors for Clinton?

 

[Resume]

Well, I guess he finally drank the last bit of kool aid.

Nah, he saw Trump fire Esper and thought, ****, better get busy.

 

[Andy_Ross]

trump Tweets

This is good news, it means I won!
cc: @RepDougCollins @SecretarySonny
Quote Tweet

Brian Kemp
@BrianKempGA
Georgia's election result will include legally cast ballots - and ONLY legally cast ballots. Period.

 

[Paul2]

Memory, isn't that what was hoped would be done last time with Trump beating Clinton? That because he didn't win the popular vote that legislatures should send electors for Clinton?

Handpicking the electors, not auditing the election, is perhaps the only way the Leg might insert themselves, but the SCOTUS in the past has ruled that a Leg. can only determine how electors are chosen by passing a law, which means the Governor has to sign it. Also, doing so after an election is over, for that election, is sketchy.

This is the only place at which my paranoia comes back, as this SCOTUS is not that SCOTUS of the past.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

Ken Starr: Pennsylvania Ballot Extension 'Constitutional Travesty'
The disputed Pennsylvania ballot extension forced by state courts over the legislature is a "constitutional travesty," according to famed prosecutor Ken Starr."
newsmax.com

 

[TahiniBinShawarma]

the Leg. doesn’t certify an election. Where are you getting that. Be specific.

Doing some quick reading on it. The constitution leaves it up to the legislatures on how to choose electors. HOWEVER, all legislatures have enacted laws on giving the electoral votes to whoever wins the states popular vote.

So the legislatures are tied into the popular vote. It's basically going to be the court deciding on everything.

Although that doesn't change that legislatures are going to be poking around with investigations. They have that power irrespective of the governor.

 

[wareyin]

I wonder if it’s as irritating as your habit of scolding people from your disingenuously assumed position of the reasonable middle?

You getting Susan Collins vibes? I'm getting Susan Collins vibes.

 

[TahiniBinShawarma]

Handpicking the electors, not auditing the election, is perhaps the only way the Leg might insert themselves, but the SCOTUS in the past has ruled that a Leg. can only determine how electors are chosen by passing a law, which means the Governor has to sign it. Also, doing so after an election is over, for that election, is sketchy.

This is the only place at which my paranoia comes back, as this SCOTUS is not that SCOTUS of the past.

Yeah, I don't see any laws getting passed to deal with this. They can insert themselves with hearings/investigations, that's about it.

 

[Paul2]

Doing some quick reading on it. The constitution leaves it up to the legislatures on how to choose electors. HOWEVER, all legislatures have enacted laws on giving the electoral votes to whoever wins the states popular vote.

So the legislatures are tied into the popular vote. It's basically going to be the court deciding on everything.

Although that doesn't change that legislatures are going to be poking around with investigations. They have that power irrespective of the governor.

selecting electors is different significantly than investigations. The Leg can investigate all they want but it changes nothing about the power and schedule for how an election is audited and certified. Unless they go contrary to past SCOTUS and hand pick the electors.