Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

[TheSupermeerkat]

According to /pol/ Rudy is playing 4d chess by showing that someone who was legally ineligible to be an election watcher was allowed to be an election watcher.

/pol/ is hilarious right now.

 

[Dave Rogers]

I posted the link about Blagojevich in here because it's a thread for collecting stuff about 2020 election fraud claims / info.

And discussing them, which we're doing.

Dave

 

[BobTheCoward]

I posted the link about Blagojevich in here because it's a thread for collecting stuff about 2020 election fraud claims / info.

Didn't put much more thought into it than that. I didn't think to myself "oh yeah, this is hard core evidence"

You should.

 

[Meadmaker]

The source of "statistically impossible voter turnout" occurs at 6:12 in this video from Leigh Dundas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxB_pPHlIKg

The video contains no statistics.

 

[johnny karate]

I posted the link about Blagojevich in here because it's a thread for collecting stuff about 2020 election fraud claims / info.

Didn't put much more thought into it than that. I didn't think to myself "oh yeah, this is hard core evidence"

Do you believe his claims?

 

[Skeptic Tank]

And discussing them, which we're doing.

Dave

Discussing them / saying you don't find them credible is fine, but there seemed to be a lot of focus on the fact that I posted it.

 

[slyjoe]

The source of "statistically impossible voter turnout" occurs at 6:12 in this video from Leigh Dundas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxB_pPHlIKg

The video contains no statistics.

Like you said, the word "statistically" doesn't even belong here. This is arithmetic.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

Do you believe his claims?

His claims about how the party operates in certain large cities they've been entrenched in for decades?

It's consistent with other info I've heard over the years, and it seems to be based on his first hand experiences.

So it seems fairly believable.

 

[BobTheCoward]

His claims about how the party operates in certain large cities they've been entrenched in for decades?

It's consistent with other info I've heard over the years, and it seems to be based on his first hand experiences.

So it seems fairly believable.

He doesn't appear to have first hand experience.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Trump campaign aides manning the “voter fraud hotline” describe mostly fielding prank calls from lefty teenagers and dealing with some disturbing unsolicited adult images.

https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/1325629745002917890

Simply awful behavior. nobody should call 1 (888) 503-3526 and do this rude thing. That number is only for real, sincere reports of voter fraud.

 

[xjx388]

From what I've seen, it seems the Trump team is making broad claims in public but their lawsuits are much more focused and not likely to succeed. Looks to me like a show to rile up the base and start getting them to protest and demand a new election or something.

I heard Huckabee on the radio this morning saying something about how there were so many tickets that voted Republican -except for Trump. He was incredulous that those were valid votes. Shouldn't that tell you something, Mike, that so many otherwise Republican supporters refused to vote for Trump?

 

[johnny karate]

His claims about how the party operates in certain large cities they've been entrenched in for decades?

It's consistent with other info I've heard over the years, and it seems to be based on his first hand experiences.

So it seems fairly believable.

No, his claims that massive voter fraud has taken place.

Do you believe those claims?

 

[Horatius]

Blagojevich's claim, though, is at least a step further removed than your hypothetical; it's more like an ex-mafia hit man hearing that someone's died and saying, "My instinct tells me this was a hit because he's exactly the sort of guy the mafia tends to hit" when he hasn't actually seen the body and doesn't know what the dead man knew or was planning to say. Blagojevich isn't saying "Here are tell-tale signs of specific scams I'm familiar with," he's just saying "I think this election was stolen because Democrats always steal elections."

Plus, he's saying "It's obviously a mafia hit!" in order to support an otherwise unsupported claim made by someone else that it was a mafia hit, and that other person just happens to be the same guy who got the hitman a pardon for all those mafia hit jobs he was guilty of.

So, totally reliable...

 

[Horatius]

From what I've seen, it seems the Trump team is making broad claims in public but their lawsuits are much more focused and not likely to succeed. Looks to me like a show to rile up the base and start getting them to protest and demand a new election or something.

I have to wonder if any of these courts is ever going to issue an injunction against the Republicans continuing to make such public accusations, and hold them in contempt of court until and unless they can provide their evidence in court.

Because this literally is contemptuous of the courts. Claiming you have all the evidence you need to prove fraud, while continually refusing to provide that evidence in court cases you yourself are filing is literally contemptuous of the courts. "Do what I tell you, and don't pester me with your stupid questions!"

 

[Ziggurat]

The article is unclear, but it sounds like any claims were passed off second hand from the state GOP headquarters, so it's unclear if anyone with first hand knowledge of anything actually made a complaint.

Anyone here familiar with Benford's Law? It's a mathematical rule governing many sorts of distributions which exhibit scale invariance. Basically, the takehome of the mathematical rule is that for such distributions, the odds that a number in this distribution will begin with a 1 is higher than the odds it will begin with a 2, the odds it begins with a 2 is higher than the odds that it begins with a 3, and so on.

Benford's Law gets used in forensic accounting a lot, because accounting figures normally should follow Benford's Law. But when people artificially generate numbers, they don't tend to generate numbers which follow Benford's Law. So if you take the accounts of a company and look at all the spending items, and it doesn't follow Benford's Law, then that's very suggestive statistical evidence that someone is cooking the books, and you had better look closer.

Election results also generally follow Benford's Law. But according to this source, the results for votes for Biden in a number of key cities... doesn't.

 

[eeyore1954]

Not much there. If you allege a crime to the FBI, they'll probably respond with a claim that they are "investigating".

The article is unclear, but it sounds like any claims were passed off second hand from the state GOP headquarters, so it's unclear if anyone with first hand knowledge of anything actually made a complaint.

I expect a lot of these claims of fraud will find a shortage of people willing to make eye-witness claims to the FBI, because lying to the cops is a crime. There will be no shortage of second-hand reports that the FBI will "investigate", but I'm not holding my breath for anything substantial.

Out of all of the voting places I am sure there are isolated cases of wrong doing (very isolated and probably not just limited to helping Biden) but the chances of late ballots being back dated are large enough to make a difference is nil.

 

[Ziggurat]

I have to wonder if any of these courts is ever going to issue an injunction against the Republicans continuing to make such public accusations, and hold them in contempt of court until and unless they can provide their evidence in court.

Because this literally is contemptuous of the courts. Claiming you have all the evidence you need to prove fraud, while continually refusing to provide that evidence in court cases you yourself are filing is literally contemptuous of the courts. "Do what I tell you, and don't pester me with your stupid questions!"

Yeah, no. First off, you clearly don't understand the legal concept of contempt of court. That doesn't apply here. Second, you clearly don't understand the first amendment either. You're demanding a prior restraint on speech (do you know what "prior restraint" means?), but your justification for it is essentially your feelings. That doesn't cut it.

So no, the courts will do nothing of the sort, and that is as it should be.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Yeah, it's a dog's breakfast of nonsense that even the right isn't taking too seriously.

Unless it's something the Trump campaign is willing to try to argue in court, dismissing these claims outright seems wise.

It's much more desperation than any real basis. The example of the Wisconsin "turnout irregularity" seems to have sprouted from a single meme that went viral.

The mad Gish gallop of meritless claims says a lot about the mindset of the CHUDs though. They are desperately grasping for straws. They hold onto a glimmer of hope for these meritless lawsuits, but I imagine this desperation will turn to destructive rage once it becomes clear to them Trump has no recourse to his loss.

Yea but they seem to be popular with the republican Elite.

"Mary Trump warns of 'meltdowns' by Trump in next few months
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) warned that President Trump should not concede defeat in the 2020 presidential election in part because Republicans will "never" be able to elect another president from their party again.

"If Republicans don't challenge and change the U.S. election system, there will never be another Republican president elected again," Graham said Sunday on Fox News. "President Trump should not concede. We're down to less — 10,000 votes in Georgia. He's going to win North Carolina. We have gone from 93,000 votes to less than 20,000 votes in Arizona, where more — more votes to be counted." "

https://thehill.com/homenews/525063-lindsey-graham-if-trump-concedes-election-republicans-will-never-elect-another

 

[johnny karate]

Anyone here familiar with Benford's Law? It's a mathematical rule governing many sorts of distributions which exhibit scale invariance. Basically, the takehome of the mathematical rule is that for such distributions, the odds that a number in this distribution will begin with a 1 is higher than the odds it will begin with a 2, the odds it begins with a 2 is higher than the odds that it begins with a 3, and so on.

Benford's Law gets used in forensic accounting a lot, because accounting figures normally should follow Benford's Law. But when people artificially generate numbers, they don't tend to generate numbers which follow Benford's Law. So if you take the accounts of a company and look at all the spending items, and it doesn't follow Benford's Law, then that's very suggestive statistical evidence that someone is cooking the books, and you had better look closer.

Election results also generally follow Benford's Law. But according to this source, the results for votes for Biden in a number of key cities... doesn't.

Now that you’ve come out as a member of Team Voter Fraud, do you have any actual evidence to present?

 

[Ziggurat]

Out of all of the voting places I am sure there are isolated cases of wrong doing (very isolated and probably not just limited to helping Biden) but the chances of late ballots being back dated are large enough to make a difference is nil.

Is it? How did you calculate the odds? Or are you just guessing?