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Cont: 2020 Presidential Election part 3

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Minoosh said:
Some glitch is keeping me from linking to a Daily Beast story from a couple of days ago. The headline was, "Trump whines: Why isn't Barr coming to save me?" Trump whining is not news. The analysis within caught my eye though:







The key word there is "incoherent." I don't think there's going to be a coherent way out of this for Trump because Trump is fundamentally incoherent.
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It doesn't even rise to the level of an incoherent plan, it's simply how Trump's petulance has always exhibited. He has always "sued" or rather threatened to sue people to bully them.
 
TangyPoindexter said:
Apologies for my absolutely brilliant first post. It was indeed a pocket post. I read that and wondered who that dumbass was and then realized it was me.

Sent from my SM-G981U using Tapatalk
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I lucky this hasn't happened to me yet. I can think of a few times I've pulled my phone out of my pocket to find apps open that I didn't even know I had and my browser has multiple tabs to a variety of places man was not meant to go.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
I'm sure the consensus in this thread (haven't been keeping up with it) is that the claims of election tampering / fraud, etc. are overblown, stuff that always happens, not enough to change the outcome, outright lies, rumor, speculation, whatever.

That is what I'd expect folks here to think.

I personally have seen enough evidence going around to put us well beyond the point of justifying a careful, deliberate look and recount in specific states.

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No you haven't, you are barefaced lying.
 
TahiniBinShawarma said:
Thank you Roger. My only reason for posting this information is because it seems to be exactly what the Trump side is alleging. The merits of that are in question. I don't feel they are obligated(legally) to tip their hand before they file their suits, which I believe is happening tomorrow.
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You are also woefully uninformed about your own justice system.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
How is he doing that?

He gave us some information on 'how the U.S. State Dept explained Ukraine electoral fraud', which presumably is factual. As to what relevance this has to the current US election or what it might mean, he did not state an opinion.

Please don't accuse other posters of 'intentionally promoting spreading false facts and promoting a false narrative' when they just quote from a link and otherwise 'have no opinion on that'. Because it's a trap.
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I disagree - As JoeMorgue said, it's *insinuating* that there's something that presumably the authorities in Georgia and Arizona had colluded with their electoral opponents in order to deny Trump
 
trustbutverify said:
Wasn't that on Thursday?
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Bonfire Night, as far as fireworks are concerned starts on the 1st of the month and lasts until about the 9th.

Single random fireworks get let off from the middle of October until the middle of November
 
Dave Rogers said:
No, he isn't. His evidence is Trump's word, and that's more than enough evidence for him. Courts of law see things very differently, of course, but to the worshipper the Word alone is sufficient.

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But he didn’t say that he trusted Trump’s word, he was referring to other evidence that he had seen.

I could of course be wrong and equally of course if I am wrong I would retract my comment about him being a barefaced liar, all it would take is for him to provide the evidence that he claims he has seen. But unless he does I am going to judge his latest claim to be yet another lie.
 
The Don said:
There is literally no evidence they will accept that there hasn't been large-scale voter fraud and the handful of examples which are found will be proof positive that the election has been stolen.
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If the handful of examples found are mainly Trump/Republican votes, it will be seen as proof that the election is still being stolen ...
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Bonfire Night, as far as fireworks are concerned starts on the 1st of the month and lasts until about the 9th.

Single random fireworks get let off from the middle of October until the middle of November
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The weather forecast makes a big difference but as someone with pets who need to be kept in when fireworks are likely I can say that bonfire night itself, and the Saturdays before and after it, are the only days on which I lock the catflap before it gets dark. Families with young children tend to prefer an evening which isn't a school night. As bonfire night was a Thursday this year I expected Saturday 7th to be the day most families let off fireworks in their gardens around where I live, and I was right.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Bonfire Night, as far as fireworks are concerned starts on the 1st of the month and lasts until about the 9th.

Single random fireworks get let off from the middle of October until the middle of November
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Yeah, I've definitely seen people claiming fireworks in the UK as being because of Biden, when fireworks around this time of year have been happening since long before Joe Biden was even born.

I wonder how many people who thought it was because of Biden would nonetheless recognise a Guy Fawkes mask thanks to V For Vendetta and Anonymous?
 
Darat said:
But he didn’t say that he trusted Trump’s word, he was referring to other evidence that he had seen.
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I can see two things he said.

"I personally have seen enough evidence going around to put us well beyond the point of justifying a careful, deliberate look and recount in specific states."

At no point does he specify that the "evidence going around" is anything more than Trump's claims and those of his retinue. If his required burden of proof is so pathetically low, then that's his business, and for certain there's no reason to suggest the courts should be that gullible, but it says more about his credulity and personal bias than his honesty.

"There are some serious abnormalities."

(1) He doesn't actually say that this is part of the evidence; but,
(2) Yes, there are of course some serious abnormalities, arising from the fact that there's a pandemic in progress, intelligent and well-informed people have mostly chosen to limit their exposure to the pandemic by voting by mail, intelligent and well-informed people for the most part do not support Trump, and the system has been rigged wherever Trump has been able to bring it about such that the votes of intelligent and well-informed people who so limited their exposure to a deadly disease were not counted until after those of ignorant and stupid people who believed a demagogue who exhorted them to risk their lives.

Though, again, intelligent and well-informed people understand that this has no bearing on the question of whether the election was unfair, I can see that the ignorant and stupid might well consider it evidence of foul play. Since Skeptic Tank at no point suggests that this is in fact his argument, one cannot comment further.

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saw that:
Trump to go on rallies, dig up dead people and see if their signature matches the record at polling place

FOX news
President Trump is planning to bring back his large-scale rallies that were a hallmark of his presidential run, but these will be focused on his “ongoing litigation” as he challenges the results of last week’s election.

According a report by Axios and confirmed by Fox News, Trump's campaign plans to take less traditional path to challenging the results of the election, including holding “a series of Trump rallies” focused on the campaigns ongoing legal efforts in numerous states across the country.

Along with the rallies, Trump is also planning to use obituaries of people who allegedly voted but are actually dead as evidence of the voter fraud he's been claiming. The campaign is also sending recount teams Georgia, Arizona, and Pennsylvania, with Rep. Doug Collins, R-Ga., heading up the effort in the Peach State.
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Tero said:
saw that:
Trump to go on rallies, dig up dead people and see if their signature matches the record at polling place

FOX news
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Jesus wept.

"The American people should be able to have confidence in the integrity of their democratic election processes. So...how do we further that?"

"I know! We'll litigate the hell out of this one in court! And, since we don't have the evidence for fraud that will actually make a difference in the law courts, we'll litigate the whole thing at rallies!"
 
Dave Rogers said:
No, he isn't. His evidence is Trump's word, and that's more than enough evidence for him. Courts of law see things very differently...
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I think I recently read Trump was losing 9-0 in motions concerning the election and vote counting.

Which misses the point. Trump’s goal in going to the courts is rarely to win. It’s to delay, obfuscate, intimidate and in civil cases to wear down his opponents financially. It’s disgusting how effective his weaponizing of the judicial process has been - at least up to now.

After January 20 we’ll get to see if these tactics continue to work for him. I suspect they will - at least until the money to pay lawyers runs out.
 
Matt Schlapp tweeted

@mschlapp
We are now aware of 698 verified cases, and thousands more reported, where people were unable to verify if their vote was counted.

The reason for this is the Nevada secretary of state’s website is barely functional.

Election observers from the United Nations would be appalled at the lack of transparency and the shocking number of vulnerabilities in Nevada’s ballot-counting process.
 
Washington Examiner tweeted

@dcexaminer
Dead voters. Biden van full of ballots. Trump legal team details shock Nevada claims
NORTH LAS VEGAS, Nevada — President Trump's Nevada legal team beefed up its legal challenge to mail-in ballot signature verification in the state with startling claims of voter and ballot fraud.
washingtonexaminer.com
 
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