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Cont: 2020 Presidential Election part 3

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Eric Trump tweeted
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Software from hell! There needs to be a manual recount of every ballot in this country right now!
 
Craig4 said:
Actually, about 75 million of us are totally okay with how the election went.
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And at least half of the others trust that the outcome is real. It's sad that there are so many people who don't, but when the President is actively working to subvert that trust, what do you expect? It's very, very, bad.


And, I don't think anyone would object to fraud investigations. In fact, I think it should absolutely be done, as long as it's not too expensive. If you throw in voter suppression along with voter fraud, I would welcome an investigation.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Donald Trump Jr. tweeted
@DonaldJTrumpJr

America Won’t Trust Elections Until The Voter Fraud Is Investigated
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Jr is a chip off the block. He has ZERO evidence of Voter Fraud and yet he insists that it be investigated.

Man am I sick of Trump family members pulling a turd out of their ass and demanding that we examine it.
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
Donald Trump Jr. tweeted
@DonaldJTrumpJr

America Won’t Trust Elections Until The Voter Fraud Is Investigated
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The sheer dishonesty on display here is just sickening. You can't know if it's fraud until it's investigated; and "not trusting elections" is exactly the outcome you and your dad have been aiming for from the beginning of the campaign and want to maintain now, for no other reason than that narrative's usefulness to you.
 
Meadmaker said:
And at least half of the others trust that the outcome is real. It's sad that there are so many people who don't, but when the President is actively working to subvert that trust, what do you expect? It's very, very, bad.


And, I don't think anyone would object to fraud investigations. In fact, I think it should absolutely be done, as long as it's not too expensive. If you throw in voter suppression along with voter fraud, I would welcome an investigation.
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Absent Trump or the campaign coming up with the five Ws on a specific instance of fraud, I don't see why we would need an investigation. 145ish million ballots is kind of a big place to start.
 
Meanwhile:

Arkansas police chief resigns after calling for violence against Democrats


(CNN)An Arkansas police chief who posted calls for violence against Democrats on social media resigned from his job on Saturday.

Lang Holland, who was police chief of the roughly 1,300-person city of Marshall, Arkansas, drew outrage from both local residents and people around the country after making ominous comments online in recent days. In addition to repeatedly saying Democrats should be killed, he shared memes from conspiracy theory QAnon and claimed that the election was being stolen.

"Death to all Marxist Democrats," Holland posted on Parler, a new social media site popular with conservatives and used as an alternative to Twitter. "Take no prisoners leave no survivors!!"

One image he shared depicted a group of Democrats, including Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, wearing prison jumpsuits. Under the image he wrote: "I pray all those in that picture hang on the gallows and are drawn and quartered!!!! Anything less is not acceptable."

CNN could not reach Holland for comment. His Parler account was made private on Saturday.
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turingtest said:
Well, Trump's got one son who speaks for the dishonest among his supporters, so he needs the other one to speak for the abysmally stupid.
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One (darkly) funny thing is that I believe Trump could pay for recounts in some states, but it's not cheap, his campaign is broke, and he'd never spend his own money.

And of course he'd take the risk of losing more bigly.
 
Craig4 said:
Absent Trump or the campaign coming up with the five Ws on a specific instance of fraud, I don't see why we would need an investigation. 145ish million ballots is kind of a big place to start.
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I think there's a certain amount of what you might call "maintenance" type investigations that are useful in assuring the public that there's nothing to the allegations. Not that it will ever be 100% effective, either. As the old saying goes, you can't reason someone out of something that he didn't reason himself into.

The people shouting the loudest about election fraud are, of course, not thinking at all. They're just saying that if their guy lost, it much be fraud. Those people cannot be reached at all. Beyond that, though, there's another group who hears the allegations, and can't come up with any explanation for the sketchy evidence, and sees the allegations dismissed, and begins to think maybe there's something to it.

People who come here are more likely to have investigated some sort of conspiracy theories before, and see all of the tell-tale signs of a CT in the "evidence" of election fraud today. However, most people have never done that. A little bit of official word demonstrating why the apparently suspicious activity has a perfectly innocent explanation, or that the effect is so tiny the suspicious ballots could not have changed anything, would go a long way toward convincing the ones on the fence about whether they think there might be election fraud.

For example, I just saw a video of a group of yahoos in our state capital of Lansing, Michigan, chanting "Dead People Voted!" So, they are sure that lots of dead people voted and they probably think Michigan was stolen, or at least that the evil Democrats did the same thing in Georgia and stole that one. Maybe they saw the video, posted on this forum from a tweet, showing what appeared to be evidence that a vote was received from a 120 year old woman in Jackson County. Well, I saw that video, and I cannot come up with a convincing explanation of how that came to pass. I'm sure lots of other people saw that video, too, and some, failing to come up with a non-fraudulent explanation, are sure that means it proves vote fraud.

So, I would like someone to look into what happened there. I don't mean a million dollar investigation. I just mean that I think it would be worth the effort if someone in the Jackson County Clerk's office checked out whether the video is really legitimate, whether the woman in question really represents a woman, long since passed away, but who is still on the voter rolls, but who nevertheless recorded a vote. I'm guessing not, but I don't know the explanation of how that might have come to pass any other way.

It just helps to reassure people. If you can show them that one or two of the "proof of voter fraud" videos that they have seen on youtube are not legitimate, they might think that there's probably good explanations for the others, too. If you ignore all of them, and just say, "There's no evidence.", the people might think that you are just ignoring the evidence.

ETA: Newt Gingrich is running around talking about vote fraud, and citing an example from the Franken-Coleman recount about an envelope full of ballots that magically appeared to put the Democrat, Franken, over the top. Well, I know exactly the envelope he's talking about, and why the overwhelming evidence is that it was a perfectly legitimate envelope full of real votes, that should have been, and was, counted. However, I follow this sort of thing a lot more closely than most. If you can find the most widespread allegations you can find, and put together a report detailing the reasons why this is almost certainly not voter fraud, it could make a difference in the mind of some of the protestors. Not all, of course. Some are hopeless, but some are reachable.
 
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Dr.Sid said:
Is this covered by freedom of speech in US ? It's not here. This would 2 years in prison, possibly parole, depending on context.
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Unlike your country, we're not a communist country. :D

Seriously, it's not illegal here, although the Secret Service might want to have a chat with him to determine if he's made a credible threat. But the First Amendment only protects your right to free speech; it does not protect him from the decisions of his employer, who has a legal right to "request" his resignation.
 
Meadmaker said:
I think there's a certain amount of what you might call "maintenance" type investigations that are useful in assuring the public that there's nothing to the allegations. Not that it will ever be 100% effective, either. As the old saying goes, you can't reason someone out of something that he didn't reason himself into.

The people shouting the loudest about election fraud are, of course, not thinking at all. They're just saying that if their guy lost, it much be fraud. Those people cannot be reached at all. Beyond that, though, there's another group who hears the allegations, and can't come up with any explanation for the sketchy evidence, and sees the allegations dismissed, and begins to think maybe there's something to it.

People who come here are more likely to have investigated some sort of conspiracy theories before, and see all of the tell-tale signs of a CT in the "evidence" of election fraud today. However, most people have never done that. A little bit of official word demonstrating why the apparently suspicious activity has a perfectly innocent explanation, or that the effect is so tiny the suspicious ballots could not have changed anything, would go a long way toward convincing the ones on the fence about whether they think there might be election fraud.

For example, I just saw a video of a group of yahoos in our state capital of Lansing, Michigan, chanting "Dead People Voted!" So, they are sure that lots of dead people voted and they probably think Michigan was stolen, or at least that the evil Democrats did the same thing in Georgia and stole that one. Maybe they saw the video, posted on this forum from a tweet, showing what appeared to be evidence that a vote was received from a 120 year old woman in Jackson County. Well, I saw that video, and I cannot come up with a convincing explanation of how that came to pass. I'm sure lots of other people saw that video, too, and some, failing to come up with a non-fraudulent explanation, are sure that means it proves vote fraud.

So, I would like someone to look into what happened there. I don't mean a million dollar investigation. I just mean that I think it would be worth the effort if someone in the Jackson County Clerk's office checked out whether the video is really legitimate, whether the woman in question really represents a woman, long since passed away, but who is still on the voter rolls, but who nevertheless recorded a vote. I'm guessing not, but I don't know the explanation of how that might have come to pass any other way.

It just helps to reassure people. If you can show them that one or two of the "proof of voter fraud" videos that they have seen on youtube are not legitimate, they might think that there's probably good explanations for the others, too. If you ignore all of them, and just say, "There's no evidence.", the people might think that you are just ignoring the evidence.
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I agree about the maintenance thing. But it's basically for us just see there's no there there. I don't think you'll convince this gal from Az.


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put the comments on "most recent". Very funny!


ETA: Just for more laughs. Here's Giuliani's presser form the Four Seasons Total Landscaping from Skynews.

 
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