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2020 Presidential Election part 2

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Pixel42 said:
That's probably what Trump's minions thought when they searched desperately through the phone book for something else with the words "Four Seasons" in its name.
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Jeffrey Lieber
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I’m sorry I can’t let this go: the people who can’t find the right Four Seasons want you to believe they uncovered 40,000 fraudulent ballots in Philadelphia?
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abaddon said:
Normally, that would be Godwinning the thread. In Trumps case it appears to be entirely justified.

Eerily similar.
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It is eerily similar. And as Christopher Hitchens tried very much to make clear, Orwell matters. If ever there was a time to read 1984, it is now.
 
If Trump loses in the end (settled by law) I almost expect him to 'govern' from the sidelines. Maybe he will buy OAN, fully turn it into Trump-News, probably taking some heads from Fox over to his network.
 
carlosy said:
If Trump loses in the end (settled by law) I almost expect him to 'govern' from the sidelines. Maybe he will buy OAN, fully turn it into Trump-News, probably taking some heads from Fox over to his network.
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He doesn’t have the money for that. There are now zero banks or criminal organizations who will lend him money.
 
acbytesla said:
It is eerily similar. And as Christopher Hitchens tried very much to make clear, Orwell matters. If ever there was a time to read 1984, it is now.
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Clearly, I am not a USian, but the parallels are extraordinary. Orwells 1984 should be mandatory reading in every democracy.

ETA: Everywhere really, but dictatorships ban it, so that is not an option in those places.

ETA2: Add Animal Farm to the reading list.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
Oh God. The "Evil Jew" thing is going to go into overtime since Kamala Harris's husband is a Jewish Lawyer isn't it? I hadn't even thought of that.
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Interesting because Trump's Son in Law is Jewish and by marriage so is his daughter.
 
acbytesla said:
No, that's unfair. It certainly was a lot of people's motivation. But my guess is the vast majority of people who voted for Trump did it for the team. This really is a tribal thing. They voted for Trump because their neighbors voted for him. The congregations they belong to had vocal Trump supporters. Etc, etc, etc.......
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I don't buy your excuse at all. People vote for those who represent their principles.

The 70 million people who voted for Trump saw him lying day after day for almost four years.

It is most frightening that millions people could vote for a known pathological liar when such a characteristic is precisely what a politician should never ever be known as to hold office at any level.

Trump claimed he would Make America Great Again but it was a pathological lie he made America Worse Than Ever.

Who puts their their trust in known pathological liars?
 
abaddon said:
Clearly, I am not a USian, but the parallels are extraordinary. Orwells 1984 should be mandatory reading in every democracy.

ETA: Everywhere really, but dictatorships ban it, so that is not an option in those places.
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You don't have to be. Yes they are.
 
Trebuchet said:
Trump allies are now suggesting state legislatures should overturn election results.
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I'm happy to note that in the three days since that was published, the concept seems to have gained no traction among legislators. I was a bit worried about that.

Still, as long as Trump keeps up the denialism game, his supporters might pushing to mess with EC delegations. It probably would not work legally, but then they just hope for the right string of judges to run it up to the Supreme Court. Which still probably would not work.

Looks like he has the support to keep up the game for some time. Expect continued drama for at least another month.
 
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Did Hannity really mean news organizations are being split/torn/broken apart by their bias? What would be the two pieces being separated by this process? What is the "rift" that's being created within any given news organization by this process?

It sounds like he put "riven" where another word really belongs, and he meant that they're full of bias, or thoroughly corrupted by it, or slaves to it, or blinded by it... but I haven't come up with a real word that sounds anything like "riven" that would fit for such a meaning.
 
Horatius said:
I'm sure Justin Trudeau could give him a few pointers on what to do when the US election throws you a curveball.

Of course, JT's curveball came from an MLB pitcher, not a Little Leaguer, but the principle is the same.





Someone should point out to them that two Republican Senators gives them nothing more than a veto over legislation. Without control of the House and Presidency, no GOP plans will advance, at all.
With two Democrat Senators though, things can get done - and they'll be motivated to reward Georgia for making that possible. And those Senators will know they are on a knife's edge, so won't likely support anything too "radical leftist", so the GOP might actually get some of what it wants.

If they stick with "all or nothing", they'll get nothing. Let's hope they finally realize that compromising at least gets them something, even if it's not everything.
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Do they actually have any plans to advance? They got the tax cuts they wanted during Trump's term, with (IIRC) the corporate cuts being made permanent and the middle-class cuts needing renewal in a few years. They certainly have no interest in voting for a revision of that, and have the votes to block any.

They also got three conservative SC Justices during Trump's years in office. Since their stated rationale for blocking Obama's nominee in his last year (and ramming through Trump's in his last few months) was that the party in power in the Senate, if it was different than the president's, had not only the right but the voter-given duty to "check and balance" that president, the GOP certainly, if they keep their Senate majority, need no other reason than that to block any nominee of Biden's. I'd love to see Biden nominate Obama or Hilary if he gets the chance- I'm almost certain the GOP would shoot that down just because they could.

And, of course, the idea that the party that has spent the last ten years trying to repeal Obamacare, without offering an alternative, has any actual health-care reform plans to advance in the Senate is just laughable.

So, no, the GOP doesn't need anything more than the votes to veto legislation- that is their "plans to advance." They make Biden look ineffective, block any progress on his part, blame him for any failures or problems that may arise- and reclaim the White House in '24.
 
Delvo said:
Did Hannity really mean news organizations are being split/torn/broken apart by their bias? What would be the two pieces being separated by this process? What is the "rift" that's being created within any given news organization by this process?

It sounds like he put "riven" where another word really belongs, and he meant that they're full of bias, or thoroughly corrupted by it, or slaves to it, or blinded by it... but I haven't come up with a real word that sounds anything like "riven" that would fit for such a meaning.
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I think he might have meant "riddled" with bias.
 
Delvo said:
Did Hannity really mean news organizations are being split/torn/broken apart by their bias? What would be the two pieces being separated by this process? What is the "rift" that's being created within any given news organization by this process?

It sounds like he put "riven" where another word really belongs, and he meant that they're full of bias, or thoroughly corrupted by it, or slaves to it, or blinded by it... but I haven't come up with a real word that sounds anything like "riven" that would fit for such a meaning.
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Riddled, I think.

Although it's interesting that the use of "riddled with" as being full of something bad, probably began much like "riven". It seems like a lot of uses of "riddled" are things like a car being "riddled with bullets" or a story being "riddled with errors", are cases where it means that something bad has gotten into and torn up the thing that was riddled.


Or, it occurred to me as I typed, it could be a variation on "rife"..
 
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dejudge said:
I don't buy your excuse at all. People vote for those who represent their principles.
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Some do. But I have been asking people questions for decades why they voted for who they did and the vast majority are clueless. They know a meme or two. They know little about the actual facts.

dejudge said:
The 70 million people who voted for Trump saw him lying day after day for almost four years.

It is most frightening that millions people could vote for a known pathological liar when such a characteristic is precisely what a politician should never ever be known as to hold office at any level.

Trump claimed he would Make America Great Again but it was a pathological lie he made America Worse Than Ever.

Who puts their their trust in known pathological liars?
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They don't believe that Trump is a pathological liar. Seriously, they don't. Anyone who applies a bare minimum of critical thought to the matter would agree with you. But they don't do that.

These people are afraid that the world is being taken away from them. They see the influx of immigrants and people of color demanding their rights as an end to the world. It's not. Most however probably don't hate these people, they are simply afraid of the unknown and possible upheaval. It's totally irrational. But Trump and the GOP etc preyed on those fears.

It's not that racism is a principle, it's that the GOP is framing it all as a zero sum game and they are buying it.
 
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