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Ed Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories....

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Delphic Oracle said:
I'll take the research done specifically on SARS-CoV-2 over assumptions that something that was effective for SARS-CoV will be effective.
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Maybe a hundred doctors names are on these studies...done this year...From CDC, Korea, US, China, France, Mt Sinai, Italy, Belgium, India...all studies conducted since March 2020.


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...N1aDjY/preview

Not to mention the 800+ Frontline Doctors (censored by MSM, Dorsey, and Zuckerberg) demanding patients be allowed to use safe cheap proven HCQ.
 
Bubba said:
Maybe a hundred doctors names are on these studies...done this year...From CDC, Korea, US, China, France, Mt Sinai, Italy, Belgium, India...all studies conducted since March 2020.





https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...N1aDjY/preview



Not to mention the 800+ Frontline Doctors (censored by MSM, Dorsey, and Zuckerberg) demanding patients be allowed to use safe cheap proven HCQ.
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Proven?

No, it isn't.

ETA: I was responding to your claims about Fauci's statements in 2005, now you object because hundreds of "doctors" signed some paper.

Goalpost move detected.

ETAA: I cannot view the document. I tend to be dubious of Google docs, I'd like to see a document hosted by a reputable scientific journal or respected research group.
 
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Bubba, allow me to help you with a few things.

Hydroxychloroquine is done. There's really nothing left to talk about.

Trump is done. He failed to cure covid with hydroxychloroquine, and he's finished as president.

Fauci will not be fired.

Reality is a good thing. Give it a chance.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Proven?

No, it isn't.
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1000+ doctors agree with "Let people use it. It is a cheap, safe medicine which is effective, not only in early stage, but as a prophylactic."

They are saying thousands of covid deaths are avoidable.

Why object to that?

Why would Fauci not follow up with immediate study to prove or disprove it?

It is sold without prescription in some places. Except for occasional side effects which are monitored, it is known to be safe.
 
Bubba said:
1000+ doctors agree with "Let people use it. It is a cheap, safe medicine which is effective, not only in early stage, but as a prophylactic."
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It's not been shown to work. Taking meds unnecessarily is stupid.

Bubba said:
They are saying thousands of covid deaths are avoidable.
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It's not been shown to work. Covid can be avoided by masks, limited gatherings, and social distancing.

Bubba said:
Why object to that?
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Why object to what's been shown to work: masks, limited gatherings, and social distancing?

Bubba said:
Why would Fauci not follow up with immediate study to prove or disprove it?
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Is Fauci a research scientist? He doesn't do studies. He respects the science, though, and it doesn't show that hydroxychloroquine is an effective treatment for covid-19.

Bubba said:
It is sold without prescription in some places. Except for occasional side effects which are monitored, it is known to be safe.
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Taking meds in the vague hope that it might help you is reckless. There are proven ways of avoiding covid.
 
Bubba said:
Its a little more than that.
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Possible, I suppose - but that Fox was touting it as a miracle cure with a 100% success rate in curing COVID is the main reason why it got the interest and very biased treatment that it did, especially given how farcically bad the actual basis for their claims that Fox was using was. Once they made it an idol to be used in culture wars, it's pretty much to be expected that right-wingers would try to find anything and everything they could to try to back it up, regardless of the science.


Bubba said:
100+ MDs in 22 medical studies worldwide, and over eight hundred American doctors agree it works in early stage covid cases.

Fauci admitted it worked for corona in 2005. He is in on the vaccine business, and his wife, with Bill Gates. Period.
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On the other hand,

On 4 June, after critics challenged the data, The Lancet suddenly retracted a paper that had suggested the drug increased the death rate in COVID-19 patients, a finding that had stopped many clinical trials in their tracks. But now three large studies, two in people exposed to the virus and at risk of infection and the other in severely ill patients, show no benefit from the drug. Coming on top of earlier smaller trials with disappointing findings, the new results mean it’s time to move on, some scientists say, and end most of the trials still in progress.
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They tested HCQ, and they tested it more. The results were very disappointing for all of us paying attention, not least because it quite seemed like it actually increased mortality slightly. Studies testing it in different ways have not completely ceased, I think, but unless they finish, find usefulness, and pass scrutiny, there's really not much more to say on the matter.
 
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New England Journal, Lancet, and, IIRC, India's Journal of medicine all retracted when it came out that the studies fatally overdosed the patients.

IIRC, the AMA journal has yet to retract similar studies it published
 
Bubba said:
Maybe a hundred doctors names are on these studies...done this year...From CDC, Korea, US, China, France, Mt Sinai, Italy, Belgium, India...all studies conducted since March 2020.


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...N1aDjY/preview

Not to mention the 800+ Frontline Doctors (censored by MSM, Dorsey, and Zuckerberg) demanding patients be allowed to use safe cheap proven HCQ.
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You have posted this twice before, and have avoided my response each time.
Perhaps now you are able to answer.

Cosmic Yak said:
I was kind of hoping, after Pneunomiagate, that you would have learned to check your information before posting it.
Did you actually read any of those studies before you posted that link?
I'm asking because, as I have actually looked at some of them, that information is seriously out of date.
For example, there is mention of China recommending chloroquine as a Covid treatment.
That lasted a matter of days before they withdrew that recommendation and warned about the lethal side effects that you seem not to accept.
https://fortune.com/2020/03/20/mala...reatment-chloroquine-trump-musk-deadly-china/

So, once again: did you read those studies before you posted, and did you check whether they are still accepted?
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Highlighted in case you missed it.
 
C'mon, Bubba, what does your favourite healthcare assistant have to say about NHS England changing ICU rules to allow for nurses looking after more than one patient at a time (which has been the norm for yeeeeeeeeaaaaaaa long), as the numbers of Covid cases and the numbers of staff off sick or isolating 'cos Covid both rise?
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Proven?


ETAA: I cannot view the document. I tend to be dubious of Google docs, I'd like to see a document hosted by a reputable scientific journal or respected research group.
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IIRC, most of the studies on the google doc even have their own url.

I have a copy of all 22 reports, or summaries, on the google doc, which I will provide for you later.

Someone said the link is intermittently "Not found"



Executive Summary Interpretation of the Data In This Report
The HCQ-AZ combination, when started immediately after diagnosis, appears to be a safe and efficient treatment for COVID-19, with a mortality rate of 0.5%, in elderly patients. It avoids worsening and clears virus persistence and contagious infectivity in most cases.
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Here is one, summarized, with url:


February 13, 2020
Physicians work out treatment guidelines for coronavirus, Korea Biomedical Review http://www.koreabiomed.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=7428The Korean COVID-19 Central Clinical Task Force, held the sixth video conference and agreed on treatment principles for patients with COVID-19.

Young with mild symptoms without underlying conditions, doctors can observe them without antiviral treatment.

If 10 days have passed since the onset of the illness and the symptoms are mild, physicians do not have to start an antiviral medication.
If patients are old or have underlying conditions with serious symptoms, physicians should consider an antiviral treatment as soon as possible. lopinavir 400mg/ritonavir 100mg (Kaletra two tablets, twice a day) or chloroquine 500mg orally per day. Alternate is hydroxychloroquine 400mg orally per day.
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That quote is from the copy I made months ago.


Today, some of that korean page appears to have been updated, as it is not what I recall reading there months ago.
 
Bubba said:
I have a copy of all 22 reports, or summaries, on the google doc, which I will provide for you later.
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You've been told many times that what you have is crap, cherry-picked propaganda and not good science. You very obviously have no idea how science works, and what you keep presenting is absolutely worthless. How many more times must you be told this?
 
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