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2020 Presidential Election part 2

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I don't understand why there's so much drama over recounting votes? In plenty of elections it's standard to always recount votes even when it's clear that it could not cause any significant changes to the result(s).

Are Americans too poor to afford vote counters, election monitors and other officials?
 
I agree that the EC should be consigned to history, but electronic voting is a TERRIBLE idea.

It's not feasible using current technology.

Votes must be anonymous and voting must be secure. With todays tech you can pick one and only one of those 2 options.

I remember when we (briefly) had touchscreen voting in Maryland, for a brief period. Ended up going back to Scantron style (ie. scanned in paper where the voter fills this or that bubble) over concerns of a lack of a paper trail.

Mail-in should be fairly reasonable, especially when dropboxes are placed around reasonably. Any place requiring voter ID should also be required to have a fleet of mobile stations to provide it free of charge - and to spend to advertise the fleet. Or, you know, federal unique ID, but oddly the people who cheer voter ID laws are often reluctant to do this one.

Electronic? very iffy at best, terrible if web-based. Security at that level more or less requires a total disconnect from the internet, hacking incentives are far too great.
 
Hey foreign types.

Context. How long does it take for you guys to get results after major but routine elections?

Here in India, for the parliamentary elections we vote the local Members of Parliament who will sit in the Lower House of the Parliamentary Assembly. The party with an absolute majority in the Parliament gets the chance select the PM, usually the party leader. In case no one gets an absolute majority, the party with maximum seats can form coalitions with other parties and jointly put forward athe PM nominee who will be appointed by the President.

The election process has been largely centralized and digitized. Voting machines are distributed across the district's and villages with multiple polling booth. Election day is a holiday. Citizens go to the booth allotted to them, identify their name ina list and sign against it.before a clerk (usually a government employee-school teachers, college professors, bank managers, municipal employees, all government employees are required to volunteer for election duty when required).

Once done, he goes into a booth, press the button for the party symbol, confirm it has been 4registered by viewing a printed numbered slip through a little window in the machine and exit, He then walks to a a other clerk who will mark the index finger of his left hand with indelible ink. All done.

This is done across the country in phases over a period of half a month. The machines are then sealed and taken ensuring proper chain of custody to central counting station. The results are then tallied over a day and a bit more. So the a total reveal of who won how many seats is relatively short.

But since the early eighties, absolute majorities have been few and far between. The bickering, haggling, blackmail, a accusations of coalition formation may take anywhere up to a month. Sometimes coalitions don't last, and then it's back to the grind.
 
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I don't understand why there's so much drama over recounting votes? In plenty of elections it's standard to always recount votes even when it's clear that it could not cause any significant changes to the result(s).

Are Americans too poor to afford vote counters, election monitors and other officials?

US systems include a lot of veto points and litigation points. Automatic recounts on everything is a guarantee for it to not go smoothly.
 
Georgia to hold a recount

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensberger has just announced that the state's presidential contest will go to a recount.
 
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A few recounts are almost inevitable even without Trump doing everything short of demanding the 2016 election being recounted to prove he really won the popular vote.

It looks like Pennsylvania will have enough of a margin to not need one and that's really all that matters. After that it's just a matter of how big of a win Biden has, nothing more.

And beside recounts almost never actually matter especially if the margin isn't absolutely stupidly razor thin. It's a face saving and stalling tactic.
 
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I think if Biden gets PA, NV, and GA then that puts him at 306 electoral votes, the same as Trump received in 2016. Despite losing the 2016 popular vote count, Trump declared such an Electoral College victory as a "landslide". I would love to see his reaction if a journalist asked him about losing 2020 by a landslide.
 
Now I am not one for hero worship. I don't believe in it. But today I read about someone I had never heard of before - or was just so much background noise - but when I read and realised what this person had achieved, tears came to my eyes.

Step forward...

Stacy Abrams


Wow!

Well...yeah.
 
There is one legal challenge in Pennsylvania that could have legs.

I haven't followed the ins and outs of it, but there is a challenge about late arriving absentee ballots that Trump could conceivably win. I don't know if enough votes are involved to tip it back his way if he wins. There might be.

From what I understand of the suit, I think it ought to be decided against him, but it's not an open and shut case, and the Senate confirmed Amy Coney Barrett instead of me for that open Supreme Court position.

Follow up on the above, I read a blog entry at fivethrityeight saying that the number of votes in question was unlikely to make a difference, even if Trump won the suit.
 
There's a couple of these around, but this is the better one

"Everyone I have infected with COVID, leave the room now" made me laugh

 
There is one legal challenge in Pennsylvania that could have legs.

I haven't followed the ins and outs of it, but there is a challenge about late arriving absentee ballots that Trump could conceivably win. I don't know if enough votes are involved to tip it back his way if he wins. There might be..

I thought I read that, at this point, they have not yet counted any Pennsylvania ballots that arrived after election day. Biden's lead here is based on ballots that arrived on or before.
 
After the last ballot count drop in Arizona, looks like Trump won't be able to make up the difference and Biden looks like he will take the state.
 
I thought I read that, at this point, they have not yet counted any Pennsylvania ballots that arrived after election day. Biden's lead here is based on ballots that arrived on or before.

My understanding is that they counted them, but segregated them in case the lawsuit rejected them, so that a recount which excluded them would be possible.

I could be wrong about that. As a later post indicated a fivethirtyeight blog post says the number of affected ballots won't be enough to shift Pennsylvania back to the Dark Side.
 
Looks like "The Red Mirage" or "Red Wave" or whatever the metaphor for Arizona was isn't going for Trump. Maricopa County, which was expected to be a big win for Trump, only went for him by about 6 percent. He needs something closer to 20 percent to start making up numbers on Biden.

Nate Silver is now calling Biden the "Clear Favorite" in Arizona and Biden winning Pennsylvania as everything short of inevitable.

So even if Nevada and Georgia go Trump he's won with votes to spare.
 
My understanding is that they counted them, but segregated them in case the lawsuit rejected them, so that a recount which excluded them would be possible.

I could be wrong about that. As a later post indicated a fivethirtyeight blog post says the number of affected ballots won't be enough to shift Pennsylvania back to the Dark Side.

I guess it depends on what it means to have them segregated.

But I agree, make Pennsylvania a no-brainer and it doesn't matter

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I think that what with the trumpers surrounding the Biden buses.. and the crowds of “stop the count”... and the latest Trump meltdown...

That “Trump Derangement Syndrome” has a new definition.
 
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