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2020 Presidential Election part 2

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Pennsylvania says
o/s ballots till next tues
prov ballots still to come
"every method is incredibly safe and secure".
several hundred thousand ballots remaining.
not quite there yet with mail in absentee ballots.
Overall majority will be counted by Friday.
 
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Apparently they have a high proportion of absentee and mail-in ballots, even in regular years, and getting those votes to the counting locations does take its time.

Thank you.

Other replies were made by people who seemed to want to rip into someone. Take that to Twitter.
 
So, in general (really responding to more in general up thread and not this specific post), each state has a law on the books that the party's chose their electors and once the state has official certified the election (by sec of state?) then those are the electors. The Fox New pundit guy is wrong in a way. The state legislature can't just upend that. They COULD however change the law, but luckily the Governor of Penn, Wisc, Nev, and Michigan are Democrats and would veto it.


The scenario that has never been tested is the following:

November 3. Following state law, the state of East Mississippi, holds an election. Donald Duck gets 60% of the votes, Mickey Mouse gets 40% of the vote. By state law, the secretary of state of East Mississippi declares that the electors supporting Donald Duck are appointed.

Then, on November 10, the legislature convenes, and the Rodentia party has a majority of the legislative seats, and they pass a law that says, "This year, all electors from East Mississippi must vote for Mickey Mouse."

At that point, are the electors required to vote for Mickey Mouse?

I think that the Supreme Court would rule that they were not. I think they would rule that East Mississippi must follow the law that existed at the time the election was held, and that the Donald Duck slate of electors was appointed, and they would vote however state law, as of November 3, said they would vote.


That's not quite as extreme as the case Larry Elder was yapping about. Suppose a state has a law, and everyone agrees on the election law, but during the count, massive evidence of fraud is discovered. The real, legal, votes, are impossible to reconstruct fairly. Could they, in that case, get together and say that it is their opinion that in a fair election, Mickey Mouse would have won, and therefore the electors for Mickey Mouse are appointed?

That's what Elder is advocating in this case. He's saying that the legislature should jump in and declare the Donald Trump electors to be appointed, on the grounds that the election laws were broken by all the fraud, so the election results are thrown out and our guy wins anyway.

Of course in the real world, there is no massive evidence of fraud, and I think it would be thrown out, and the state would be ordered to seat the electors appointed in accordance with the certified election results. In other words, I think that Larry Elder is a crank.
 
This sounds like someone demanding an explanation that he's just not equipped to ever understand. Maybe Hercules should be trying to understand how someone with all those flag-waving followers could be currently trailing (by, what? like over 3.5 million votes?) instead.


My first thought was that his question would more accurately be "someone want to explain how this guy who doesn't blatantly endanger the public by recklessly holding crowded rallies during a pandemic is leading currently?"
 
I can only speak for myself, but I'm voting for the person to DO A JOB. basically, American voters are HR and we are deciding who to give a job to. With that in mind, it would be a bit weird for me to start wearing hats and Tshirts, and waving flags with the image or name of my employee.
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Yes, but remember we're dealing with a subculture worshiping Donald Trump as a working class hero, and demonizing non-believers as elitist child rapists.
 
Pennsylvania's website says there are 326,348 mail ballots remaining. Last update was 4:55 Eastern

I have added an ETA to my post. In case anybody didn't see it due to the high turnaround of posting herewith:

"ETA: Secretary of State says 326k votes still need to be counted in the battleground state. Trump leads by 90k votes. That means an apx extra 247K on the above figures for Biden (factoring the further 7K gain) giving him at best 3,389,463, with Trump ith an extra apx 85K, giving him a total of circa 3,325,506, so Biden could win by anything up to 64K (unlikely) but if he can keep getting two thirds share of the absentee vote he might just do it.

If Biden only managed 66% of the remaining vote (some say he only needs 54% but that was earlier in the day) then he could end up with a minimum of 3,364,623 to Trump's (33%) 3,347,967 so anything between 16,600 to as much as 64,000, mid point being 40,300 win to Biden."
 
The thing is that because the Republicans have control over the Senate and there's a 6-3 bias on SCOTUS, Joe Biden will likely get nothing significant done at all in his Presidency.

The GOP has signalled very clearly that they will absolutely obstruct anything a Democratic President attempts to do - even if they aren't actually opposed to it. Pwning teh libz is more important than the welfare of the country.

And then they'll complain in 2024 about how he didn't do anything.

Biden will have to resort to Executive orders and...lo and behold....XOs will suddenly revert to being bad again!
 
Update: Pennsylvania on Twitter:

Latest #Pennsylvania projection:

326,348 votes to be counted
Biden's been winning 77% of the mail in

Projected Final Result:
Biden +85,000 (+1.2%)

We project he'd overtake Trump after another 170k votes are counted (so when 155k are left to be counted).
@electoralpolls

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Note, however, that this projection is down from earlier (where we calculated Biden would win at around +3%).

Seems there are some 250k votes in the uncounted total that were removed this afternoon.
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Trump's lead is down to 78K in PA per CNN.

We have four states converging toward a tie. Kinda scary.

But lots of people think Biden has a good shot at PA.



I listened to the opening of the 5:00 hour on Sean Hannity. The Trump folks are screaming fraud, so I am inclined to believe that their projections also show that Trump will lose when all the counting is done.


The chief complaint is that Republican observers are not being allowed to observe the election, and that defies a court order issued this morning. I couldn't help but notice that the people speaking about the non-compliance with the court order were all talking about them not being allowed to observe ballots, but the court order just said that they had to be allowed within six feet.

I was also gratified to hear that the Democrats have people running around Georgia trying to find people whose mail in ballots were rejected, so they can fix the problem. This is called "curing" the ballot, and is part of Georgia law. Hannity was calling it suspicious behavior, and evidence of massive fraud.

In general he said a lot of things, and if the things he said were true, I think there would be a massive problem. However, the things Hannity says generally aren't true, so I'm pretty sure that what is happening is that votes are being counted, and many of those votes are for Joe Biden. That, apparently, is evidence of massive fraud.
 
The scenario that has never been tested is the following:

November 3. Following state law, the state of East Mississippi, holds an election. Donald Duck gets 60% of the votes, Mickey Mouse gets 40% of the vote. By state law, the secretary of state of East Mississippi declares that the electors supporting Donald Duck are appointed.
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I don't know about your specific scenario, but others have written about the entirely possible scenario in which a Democratic governor would certify the election results for Biden's slate of electors, and the Repub legislature would appoint its own slate of Trump electors. Both slates would be submitted to Congress, which would have to choose one. I suppose a Repub governor and legislature could choose to appoint their own slate despite the election results.

Whether it could succeed is the subject of intense debate.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...gislature-appoint-electors-end-democracy.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/25/trump-attack-election-electors-republicans
 
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I don't know about your specific scenario, but others have written about the entirely possible scenario in which a Democratic governor would certify the election results for Biden's slate of electors, and the Repub legislature would appoint its own slate of Trump electors. Both slates would be submitted to Congress, which would have to choose one.

Whether it could happen is the subject of intense debate.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...gislature-appoint-electors-end-democracy.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/25/trump-attack-election-electors-republicans

Actually, it did happen, in 1876. At least, things kind of like it happened.

Worth reading about how they worked it out. However, it didn't involve a Supreme Court ruling. I think today it would. Things have changed since 1876.

How that ruling would go today is, as you note, the subject of debate.
 
But thats my point. If State X goes for Biden but all the electors decide to vote for Trump, the state is the only one who can punish them. If they just decide not to, the Supreme Court will not intervene.

So all you have to do is make the order to vote for Trump under the table which wouldn't be that hard.

It's sort of the "Jury Nullification" thing on a larger scale. Legally speaking Electors can't be wrong unless the state says they are.

Now of course this can't happen on a large scale, but we're looking at a handful of votes to tip this election and we had 10 Faithless Electors last election... 7 of those votes are still legally and Constitutionally valid.

There's a lot of scenarios on the table right now where this election is going to be within 7 votes.

This is not likely, but given Trump already declared war on the election it's not crazy to consider.

Oh, I see what you mean. I agree. I thought you were saying that electors could be forced by the governor, which I see as unlikely.
 
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