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2020 Presidential Election part 2

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If I'm mathing the CNN map correctly, then provided every state stays put with who is currently projected to win it, Biden only needs AZ and any one of the other states still in question: NV, GA, NC, or PA. Trump, on the other hand, would need all four of the latter states to win it.
 
TragicMonkey said:
If I'm mathing the CNN map correctly, then provided every state stays put with who is currently projected to win it, Biden only needs AZ and any one of the other states still in question: NV, GA, NC, or PA. Trump, on the other hand, would need all four of the latter states to win it.
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TragicMonkey said:
If I'm mathing the CNN map correctly, then provided every state stays put with who is currently projected to win it, Biden only needs AZ and any one of the other states still in question: NV, GA, NC, or PA. Trump, on the other hand, would need all four of the latter states to win it.
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It's slightly better than that. PA by itself, or any two states is enough for Biden.
 
Minoosh said:
I find it very encouraging to listen to, but I am too on edge to take him exactly at face value. There is till that fear of jinxing it; or of getting my hopes too high. So far Republicans have outperformed the polls so I am feeling cautious if not downright pessimistic.

My ex lives in Pa., says he won't relax until the EC names Biden the winner (nationwide). Long weeks ahead. But sure, I hope the tipping point is past.

A couple of members here have braced themselves to expect the worst, and I notice they haven't been posting too much since last night. It's superstitious to believe in jinxes, but it might be better than having one's hopes crushed.
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My guess is Caraville has a very good idea. But I understand.

I don't believe in superstitions. But I certainly understand those feelings. I'm scared. Hell, yesterday even though I had read about how early votes could result in leads that were mirages, I couldn't take what up until then was bad news and I just went to bed. Couldn't sleep though.
 
Bubba said:
Election theater is all about Bernays, Bezmenov, etc.

Whatever you do, do not look behind the curtain. It might hurt your fragile
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The election is about votes. Or do you think the votes are fake like the rest of reality?
 
Wasn't there a Maricopa County, AZ vote dump that favored Trump? I think AZ is much tighter now.
 
pgwenthold said:
I'm still not sold on GA, but I think Biden could end up winning Pennsylvania by 100K.

Trump's lead has dropped from 500K to 196K today, and there are still 850K to count. If Biden only needs about 62% in them to overtake. He's been getting more than 70% of the votes counted today. If that pace kept up, he'd win by 150K

GA down to a 40K difference
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I expect Biden to win both states.
 
Minoosh said:
Stopping the count NOW could hurt Trump. But these folks ... they're not thinking straight.

What irony if late counting boosts Trump!
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To be fair, the people filing the lawsuits do not actually want to stop counting, at least in the states where he's losing. They want to pause the counting until they can......I'm not exactly sure what. In reality, they want to introduce some sort of vote fraud claim to invalidate portions of the vote. This applies to states where the Trump is currently ahead, or currently behind. If there is a chance he's going to lose, he wants to throw out votes.
 
BillC said:
My spreadsheet as of 12:49 AEST (Eastern +15h)

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/31025fa36644d141a.jpg[/qimg]
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Where did you get the "Total expected" for GA? I am getting a smaller figure elsewhere. Makes it about 63% of remaining votes that Biden needs.
 
Resume said:
Wasn't there a Maricopa County, AZ vote dump that favored Trump? I think AZ is much tighter now.
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Trump now needs 57.4% of the remaining vote, which is down slightly from when BillC posted his spreadsheet earlier. So yes, it was a good vote batch for Trump.
 
Meadmaker said:
To be fair, the people filing the lawsuits do not actually want to stop counting, at least in the states where he's losing. They want to pause the counting until they can......I'm not exactly sure what. In reality, they want to introduce some sort of vote fraud claim to invalidate portions of the vote. This applies to states where the Trump is currently ahead, or currently behind. If there is a chance he's going to lose, he wants to throw out votes.
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Confuse and obfuscate the whole issue even if it means sacrificing a state they might otherwise win. Maybe even disrupt the count enough such that that a state expresses uncertainty over appointing electors. Use that uncertainty to sow doubt on election totals nationwide, at least as far as his base is concerned.

Then push to get Republican state governments to invalidate their elections and appoint electors themselves. At least in states with Republican governments but voters who went for Biden.

Won't succeed, won't even get very far if a serious attempt is even made. But at least a few Republicans have already looked into it.
 
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crescent said:
Confuse and obfuscate the whole issue even if it means sacrificing a state they might otherwise win. Maybe even disrupt the count enough such that that a state expresses uncertainty over appointing electors. Use that uncertainty to sow doubt on election totals nationwide, at least as far as his base is concerned.

Then push to get Republican state governments to invalidate their elections and appoint electors themselves. At least in states with Republican governments but voters who went for Biden.

Won't succeed, won't even get very far if a serious attempt is even made. But at least a few Republicans have already looked into it.
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To add to that post - We discussed such scenarios here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=13234625#post13234625), based upon a few articles including this one:

The Election That Could Break America

Scary stuff, the worry is that if Trump does not get enough votes, then he'll try to get electors another way. There are ways to do that, as our election-to-electoral college system is based more upon tradition than actual law or the Constitution - and such traditions are not exactly a strong point for our current President. Even if we do get an idea of how many people voted for whom, we may then find that's just the start of the drama.
 
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