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2020 Presidential Election part 2

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Well, for me as a Finn removing Trump from office is the main thing. This undermining of Nato and the West has been very alarming to us here next to Russia. So, absolutely disappointing that no landslide and that the Senate will stay Republican but I think they will revert to pretty traditional US stance about Nato and Russia - it was mostly Trump who drove this pro-Putin agenda and the craven Republican establishment went along (they really don't have that many principles apart from corruption, tax cuts and hounding minorities, and naturally abortion).

Of course for Americans this is a disaster - the bat excrement crazy party still attracts the support of nearly 50% of the electorate. A pretty failed state and society. I guess this is what systematic deregulation and reckless tax cuts and religious fanatism will do to a country.
 
Trump's going to ask for a recount in Wisconsin, but again "At least one state goes to a recount" was another of those "Pretty much a given"s.
 
JoeMorgue said:
"I call everyone the N-word, so I can't imagine why everyone is so up in arms about me calling the black guy the N-word."

Stunning. Simply stunning.
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Well, there is something to it.
If you have a person who is constantly insulting pretty much everyone and then a disabled person happens to be one of them, it is not really something special.
It's just that the insulting person is an ******* to everyone not just to disabled people.
 
Brainster said:
Sigh. The problem is that there are a whole lot more people who feel that way about a Biden presidency, and they really do have guns and know how to shoot them. Don't get me wrong, I think they're idiots just as I think the wannabe Wolverine liberals and moderates are.

The real problem is that the presidency has gotten too powerful over the last century and the ratchet only goes one way. Everybody's quick to see the problem with the power of the presidency when the other side has the Oval Office, but nobody wants to whack it back a bit when they have control. Candidate Obama may have railed against the Patriot Act, but he did not repeal it as President, in fact he renewed it.

And the Democrats were quite open about their desire to further expand the powers of the presidency. Packing the Supreme Court was on every liberal columnist's wish list in the last few weeks. What is that but a way to dilute the power of the SC in favor of the President?
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Has it occurred to you that lack of term limits and lack of voter ID are the problem(s)??
 
pgwenthold said:
NYT just gave Biden a 48K lead in Michigan

With an estimated 94% reported, there are something like 300 - 350K votes left

And Wisconsin is basically completed. Biden by 20K
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The trump campaign is demanding a recount in Wisconsin, as is their right. In 2016 a recount moved 131 votes, and in 2011 (State supreme court election) it moved 300, so it'll be a tall order to move 20k.
 
carlosy said:
Well, there is something to it.
If you have a person who is constantly insulting pretty much everyone and then a disabled person happens to be one of them, it is not really something special.
It's just that the insulting person is an ******* to everyone not just to disabled people.
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It's "something special" when the actual insult is making fun of well known physical tic of disabled people.

Trump's gesture would have been insulting to disabled people even if he had made it at a non-disabled person because the motion he used was specifically mean to mock the image and idea of a disabled person.

This is not difficult and shouldn't have to be explained to people.
 
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carlosy said:
Well, there is something to it.
If you have a person who is constantly insulting pretty much everyone and then a disabled person happens to be one of them, it is not really something special.
It's just that the insulting person is an ******* to everyone not just to disabled people.
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No, not really. Even though both are insults, there is a difference between calling a disabled person a ****head and making fun of his disability.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
And what if you've got compliant and/or "don't give a crap" people manning the polling stations, and you have a lot of motivated activists who are willing to go multiple times as multiple people? I mean, I certainly am not comfortable just writing it off as "well yeah they probably won't do enough for it to really matter"

How about we just have an ID requirement like a sane country would?
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No.

Since Banks dont require ID or security, (online, or at the teller's window), why should voters be required to prove they are legit when voting for a president??
 
Safe-Keeper said:
I'm confused. So you do have to show some kind of ID when you show up to vote? If so, I don't see the problem either. Just show them your driver's license or your credit card or something.
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Nope! Credit cards, student IDs, and the like typically don't count in these states. Only 2-3 very particular forms of ID - and states like Alabama close every possible place to get ID in communities they expect to vote for democrats, so they may have to travel a couple hundred miles to get the proper ID.

And then close down voting sites in the same areas, leading to hours-long lines.

And then use crap sites that check for felonies based on first and last names, but not Date of Birth, middle name, social security number, and so on.

And then call you and falsely state that you're supposed to vote *next* tuesday - this one doesn't seem to even work.

If anyone could literally just walk in, look at the list of names, point at some random name and go, "oh yeah, Lucas Smith, that's me" without proving in any way that they really were that person, then I agree that would be weird, but surely that can't be the case?
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It's the case here - or rather, name, DoB, and address, and you don't get to look at the list. As to why:

If the registered voter is dead, you're risking a lot.

If the registered voter shows up, you're still risking a lot.

And if you succeed, you change totals by 1 vote, out of tens of thousands for county-level elections. And if you're caught, you could go to jail for years.

And around here, you need to meet certain requirements to register to vote in the first place - Social Security card, Passport or driver's license, a couple month's utilities and a few other methods. In other words, if you're registered, you've already proven within reason that you're a state resident and a citizen.
 
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timhau said:
Why? He's not going to believe the result anyway.
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Best guess? He thinks that the longer the time between election night and the "official" results the better his "Deep state election cheating!" lunacy will sell so any delay helps him.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
None of which goes even .0000000001% of the way toward explaining why he had used the same exact mocking mannerisms for other people prior.

Literally only one thing DOES explain that: it’s a generic “flustered dummy caught and avoiding accountability” persona
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Wow. If you think the first two were the same exact mocking mannerisms then you have a completely different interpretation of the words same and exact than every dictionary in the world. Trump is a bully who attacks people, including their physical weaknesses, because that's who he is. He enjoys it. He mocks women for their looks comparing them to pigs and dogs. What makes you think he draws a line at a physical disability? He has no lines.
 
Bubba said:
You dont think that POTUS was maybe just a little concerned about the American lefty activists educating illegals on how to become democrat voters had something to do with it.?
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You mean "Is he getting high on his own supply"? Possible, but outright white nationalists like Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller knew exactly what was up - they simply want the US to be whites-only.

The activists were operating in Mexican border towns, and in certain US states. Talk about a power grab.

It was about this election.
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"The activists" were out in every state, actually. And no, it wasn't about "this election, either for the pro-rights crowd, or for the white nationalists that you're representing.
 
Aridas said:
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When someone puzzles how America became so divided, a simple answer is "Divide and conquer is the oldest strategy"
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A fair point. Of particular note, though, that strategy is one that's been used far, far more by the American right-wing and libertarian rich (or their precursors), either way, for pretty much the entire history of the US.



You're describing right-wing media in a nutshell. MSM does have biases as well, but political leanings there tend to be much more a side effect of the actual biases, rather than the biases themselves.


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Have you listened to Yuri Bezmenov?? His warning pointed to this election. Precisely.
 
The Atheist said:
I think it's even simpler than that. The divide has always existed, but without the common enemy of USSR, the two sides have turned against each other.
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Uh uh. The two sides got along much better. This is a new phenomena. Ideological subversion is what happened. it takes 2-3 generations. We are at the end stage of that process.
 
Bubba said:
No.

Since Banks dont require ID or security, (online, or at the teller's window), why should voters be required to prove they are legit when voting for a president??
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One difference is that voting is a basic right. It belongs to you unless the state can prove that it doesn't; you don't have to prove your rights. And the Trumpers have never provided any evidence that anybody is risking a felony conviction to cast one vote as somebody else. The Trump-appointed Repub election fraud commission never found any such evidence. All of this is just intended to make voting harder. That's not the way the system is supposed to work.
 
Trump's lead in Pennsylvania shrank from around 55 percent to about 53 and the mail in ballots still to be counted. Biden could still come out on top there.
 
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