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2020 Presidential Election part 2

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Bob001 said:
You're lying or deluded. The reporter has a disability that affects his arms, and Trump was mocking that specific reporter -- who he knew -- and his specific disability.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34930042
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-yor...mocked-spent-day-mogul-1989-article-1.2448381
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K, then explain why he'd done the exact same arm movements / voice / phrases to mock someone without a disability, prior to that?

No really, I'll need an explanation of that.
 
Ethan Thane Athen said:
You're right, and I was aware of the distinction - but I'm still surprised at the disconnect 'Oh he just called those other immigrants rapists and murderers, we're ok though'.
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I doubt that thought even entered their mind compared to "America will never be a socialist country!!"

I know large immigrant communities who voted for Trump because of his support from Evangelicals.
 
Ethan Thane Athen said:
You're right, and I was aware of the distinction - but I'm still surprised at the disconnect 'Oh he just called those other immigrants rapists and murderers, we're ok though'.
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there is a definite "pulling up the ladder behind us" sentiment in large parts of the Hispanic community, more than other minority groups.
Especially male Hispanics seem to think that it will get them accepted quicker as "true Americans" when they go hard right on immigration.
 
Bob001 said:
Great. What are your sources of information outside your own direct experience?
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It takes numerous sources to piece it together

I suggest starting with the real journalists who quit MSM in frustration/disgust.

Just for starters, look up Sharyl Atkisson (ex-CBS) and Bari Weiss (ex-NY Times). There are more. PM me if you are actually serious.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
K, then explain why he'd done the exact same arm movements / voice / phrases to mock someone without a disability, prior to that?

No really, I'll need an explanation of that.
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No you don’t need anything. You will ignore it anyway.

But on the off chance you are willing to argue in good faith, what do you think generally of Trump mocking disabled people?
 
Matthew Best said:
So you agree he was mocking. And you agree that the person he was mocking was disabled.

This is what you call a self-own.
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Alright, if you want to try to retro-fit the claim to be "he mocked a disabled reporter in the same way he mocked a lot of people" - sure, take your "win" and be happy.

We both know, however, that the claim was always meant to indicate that he was specifically mocking THE DISABILITY by doing those movements.

lionking said:
No you don’t need anything. You will ignore it anyway.

But on the off chance you are willing to argue in good faith, what do you think generally of Trump mocking disabled people?
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I don't care? Especially if it isn't a mental disability and especially if he simply mocked them in the same way he mocked other, non-disabled people. That takes it from a "don't care" down to a "impossible to care" situation.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
Alright, if you want to try to retro-fit the claim to be "he mocked a disabled reporter in the same way he mocked a lot of people" - sure, take your "win" and be happy.

We both know, however, that the claim was always meant to indicate that he was specifically mocking THE DISABILITY by doing those movements.
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We are talking about YOUR claim.

Here, let me remind you - this one:

Skeptic Tank said:
He didn't mock a disabled reporter.
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Ethan Thane Athen said:
You're right, and I was aware of the distinction - but I'm still surprised at the disconnect 'Oh he just called those other immigrants rapists and murderers, we're ok though'.
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You guys seem desperate to paint Trump as a racist xenophobe monster. Gullible, even.

Trump was referring to actual criminals. MS 13 for instance.


Remember, MSM are political activists, not journalists,...they lie...especially by omission
 
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shemp said:
Last thing: Nate Silver on ABC is saying that he think Biden has a 93% chance of winning. Of course, that's if votes get counted. And he makes an important point: N.C. counts ballots if they are postmarked by Nov. 3 and arrive by Friday.

We may not know who won by Friday.
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I thought that your wording was fishy....

Nate Silver's 93 percent is from a month ago. It changes as the election goes on. Unless you're looking at some update I don't see.
 
Matthew Best said:
We are talking about YOUR claim.

Here, let me remind you - this one:
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"No, no, it's okay that John called that black man a ******, because he uses the word ****** about other people he doesn't like as well!"

Keep that inassailable reasoning up, trumpkins :thumbsup: . Never change.

Venom said:
I thought that your wording was fishy....

Nate Silver's 93 percent is from a month ago. It changes as the election goes on. Unless you're looking at some update I don't see.
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Ah. Thanks for crushing my optimism.
 
Bubba said:
It takes numerous sources to piece it together

I suggest starting with the real journalists who quit MSM in frustration/disgust.

Just for starters, look up Sharyl Atkisson (ex-CBS) and Bari Weiss (ex-NY Times). There are more. PM me if you are actually serious.
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Both were fired for promoting right-wing agendas. Your idea of journalism is people who tell you what you already want to believe.
 
dudalb said:
Looks as if you were rigfht again.
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I still have a chance to be wrong - let's hope for that :o

dudalb said:
I see the Amereican people are going to have to suffer catastrophe..which I think willhappen in the next four years....before they wise up.
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If millions of people out of work, millions losing their healthcare, the economy contracting at an unprecedented rate, riots on the street and hundreds of thousands dying in a pandemic isn't a catastrophe, I'm not sure what is.

The trouble is that IMO a catastrophe of that nature would merely result in people further entrenching their views. The people voting for President Trump give him credit for everything good in their life and blame *other* people for everything bad. They are easily motivated by the rhetoric of hate and a catastrophe would only feed into that.

I realise that the process of de-industrialisation in the US, automation, globalisation, the rise of the service industry and all that entails for white working class and middle class people has been going on for decades but it really seems that the 2008 crash and the very unequal recovery which followed has acted as a catalyst for the rise of populism. The way to combat that is to redistribute wealth, or if that is impossible for political reasons, for everyone to be better off. Under those circumstances people may feel less threatened - then again maybe not. :(
 
cullennz said:
Seriously.

How can they take days to count votes?
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Because there's a lot of them, and in most states they can't start until after the polls close, even if the ballots were received weeks earlier.

You understand that some U.S. cities and many metro areas have more people than the entire NZ population, right?
 
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