2020 Presidential Election part 2

[xjx388]

You're counting previous elections not the current one. Demographics have been steadily changing in Texas. Also, you're not addressing other issues like the pandemic and the number of voters. State wide races have been getting closer and closer.

History tells us that Trump will likely win. Other factors show it could flip.

I lost my crystal ball so I don't know.

Good points. But I've lived here for most of my life and just about all my family is here in Texas. All I'm saying, at the end of the day, is that it would greatly surprise me to see Texas flip, even for just one weird election.

Logically, I don't see how so many people here could possibly vote Republican in any race this cycle given the horrible Covid response not just Federally but on the State and Local level as well. That single issue has destroyed so many of the small businesses that the GOP purports to be champions of. Yet, I continue to see otherwise sane people, many of them members of the medical community and owners of small businesses, waving the Trump flag high. It's, as gregthehammer and I were discussing, cult-like and mindless "rah-rah, my team is the best even if they suck." Frankly, it's a little scary. I see a few Biden flags and signs here and there, but the Trump support looks overwhelming. And this is in a Dem stronghold area.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Texas going blue is pretty inevitable. Not sure if it's this year, assuming we oust Trump and remain an actual real Democracy, it won't stay Red for more than another decade at most.

Urbanization almost without fails leads to more liberal politics, and America is becoming more urban at a steady pace.

This election could very well be the one where Texas going blue is no longer some crazy insane scenario and even if the Republicans still hold it could be the start of it being a "swing state" that they have to fight for.

I've been hoping for it for longer than I care to remember. Heck, I had high hopes for Wendy Davis some time ago. But, after driving through the heart of the state on Sunday, I just don't see a Biden win. There are no rural Biden supporters at all. And there are a lot of rural votes in Texas. Add that to the cities being more mixed than solidly democratic, I just don't think we are there yet.

If we do cross that line, or maybe when we cross that line, we will have minority voters to thank for getting us there. The white vote in Texas will still be majority GOP until long after Trump is gone.

 

[The Atheist]

Trump's odds at the bookie have drifted out as more people see the tsunami approaching.

And his odds in the electoral college have firmed considerably for him to get 180-209 votes.

Ain't that a shame....

 

[acbytesla]

I just browsed a Yahoo story about these Trumpers who have been blocking highways and such with their rolling caravans of trucks (with apparent ties to QAnon). The line that stuck out with me is that they are claiming to "remind people of traditional American Values." My question is, what, the traditional American value to be a jackass?!

Yeah, probably...and I am an American.

Most of this doesn't really bother me. Seeing people on freeway overpasses and honking horns is not unique to this election. All these huge flags is. Trump is obnoxious as anyone could possibly be. It's not surprising his supporters acting like him.

 

[xjx388]

all i know, if one of these roving caravans blocks my path home, i most likely will have a full bladder, and will not be afraid to use it on the nearest bro truck

All the talk (and actual action) from the anti-protestors, "If you block the road protesting, I'm gonna run you down!" seems like such hypocrisy. The Trump trains here have no problem holding up traffic and surrounding and slowing down opposing candidates busses.

 

[Tero]

Will we know who is the winner today, or will it take longer?

Depends on Florida. If Florida goes Biden, it's over. If not, you will know Friday.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Yeah, probably...and I am an American.

Most of this doesn't really bother me. Seeing people on freeway overpasses and honking horns is not unique to this election. All these huge flags is. Trump is obnoxious as anyone could possibly be. It's not surprising his supporters acting like him.

I wonder how much of the money for those flags is going to the campaign versus just folks printing up flags to sell roadside without any of it going to Trump?

ETA: The rural roadside flag stand used to survive on a mix of weird crap, confederate flags and then the occasional state and US flag. Now they seem to be mostly Trump stuff and guns rights flags. But the confederate flag still finds space.

 

[The Atheist]

I just don't see a Biden win.

You just might get your wish today. Texas will be close, and hopefully turns blue, which would be the ultimate nail in Trump's coffin.

I'd have $10 on it.

 

[gregthehammer]

All the talk (and actual action) from the anti-protestors, "If you block the road protesting, I'm gonna run you down!" seems like such hypocrisy. The Trump trains here have no problem holding up traffic and surrounding and slowing down opposing candidates busses.

hold up, I wasn't talking about running anyone down. I was just stating the fact that if i get held up by one of these annoyances, my bladder might not be able to hold the contents, so i may as well share some *goodwill

 

[Dr. Keith]

You just might get your wish today. Texas will be close, and hopefully turns blue, which would be the ultimate nail in Trump's coffin.

I'd have $10 on it.

I don't need money on it. If it happens I'll be happier than any amount of money I could afford to bet would make me.

 

[acbytesla]

Good points. But I've lived here for most of my life and just about all my family is here in Texas. All I'm saying, at the end of the day, is that it would greatly surprise me to see Texas flip, even for just one weird election.

Logically, I don't see how so many people here could possibly vote Republican in any race this cycle given the horrible Covid response not just Federally but on the State and Local level as well. That single issue has destroyed so many of the small businesses that the GOP purports to be champions of. Yet, I continue to see otherwise sane people, many of them members of the medical community and owners of small businesses, waving the Trump flag high. It's, as gregthehammer and I were discussing, cult-like and mindless "rah-rah, my team is the best even if they suck." Frankly, it's a little scary. I see a few Biden flags and signs here and there, but the Trump support looks overwhelming. And this is in a Dem stronghold area.

Texas is a weird state. It's the only place I have ever been where I have seen billboards promoting the KKK. The people take pride in in your face obnoxious behaviour and idiots with holsters are commonly seen everywhere.

But everywhere I go in Washington State I see Trump flags too. And I mean EVERYWHERE. If I judged the election by that I would think Trump will win in a landslide. And yet I know Trump will be crushed here. All I'm saying is demographics are changing there. The minority community keeps getting larger. And these people are used to being harrassed. I certainly wouldn't go around Texas with a Biden sticker or flag if I were them.

 

[acbytesla]

I wonder how much of the money for those flags is going to the campaign versus just folks printing up flags to sell roadside without any of it going to Trump?

ETA: The rural roadside flag stand used to survive on a mix of weird crap, confederate flags and then the occasional state and US flag. Now they seem to be mostly Trump stuff and guns rights flags. But the confederate flag still finds space.

Yeah, I've wondered about that too.

 

[Cain]

Georgia had 3.8 to 3.9 million early voters as of Friday and more mail in ballots could have come in Saturday and Monday. 4.1 million people voted in total in the 2016 election.

This only confirms what we've long known: Democrats are trying to steal the election by getting more people to vote.

 

[Bubba]

Texas going blue is pretty inevitable. Not sure if it's this year, assuming we oust Trump and remain an actual real Democracy, it won't stay Red for more than another decade at most.

How do you figure that remaining a democracy relies on ousting Trump??

 

[The Atheist]

This only confirms what we've long known: Democrats are trying to steal the election by getting more people to vote.

That should be challengeable in SCOTUS - sneakiest tactic evar!

 

[Bubba]

by William Parcher View Post
Will we know who is the winner today, or will it take longer?

That will depend on whether the MSM and such like the answer or not. If it looks like Trump is winning, then it will definitely take longer - to see if they can change the answer or not.

They definitely will try to delay any way possible. Their plans/strategies include:



Hillary exhorted the believers to "Do not concede, no matter what."

Pelosi has said she is "ready" to jump in and put congress to work against Trump.

 

[acbytesla]

How do you figure that remaining a democracy relies on ousting Trump??

Because everything Trump does is autocratic. He just issued an EO that allows any government worker to be terminated without reason. This turns civil service employment into a political arm of his white White House.

 

[Andy_Ross]

I wonder how much of the money for those flags is going to the campaign versus just folks printing up flags to sell roadside without any of it going to Trump?

ETA: The rural roadside flag stand used to survive on a mix of weird crap, confederate flags and then the occasional state and US flag. Now they seem to be mostly Trump stuff and guns rights flags. But the confederate flag still finds space.

Roadside flag stands are a thing?

I can't think of anywhere in the area that sells flags apart from the SHip Chandlers near Teesport.

 

[acbytesla]

This only confirms what we've long known: Democrats are trying to steal the election by getting more people to vote.

Damn those Democrats. Next thing you know they'll insist that the person with the most votes is declared the winner.

 

[xjx388]

From CNN:

Despite his uncertainty, Biden seemed baffled that traditionally red states, like Texas, may be up for grabs tonight.

"It’s just so uncertain," Biden admitted. "Look, you can’t think of an election in the recent past where so many states are up for grabs. The idea I’m in play in Texas, Georgia, North Carolina, Florida — I mean, come on. Texas?"

See, even Biden is incredulous about a Texas flip.