2020 Presidential Election part 2

[johnny karate]

Conservative voters do not riot and loot urban areas. They mostly do not even live in them. The boarding up is obviously done against what we have seen all year in cites around the country. These owners are hedging and do not want to lose their businesses in case of some mob reaction to a Trump win, however improbable the polls may have it. They have been wrong before.

I’m sure the right wing terrorists who murder people and threaten the lives of government officials will protect conservative voters from the potential scourge of broken windows.

 

[The Don]

I started to type 'If America re-elects Trump then it's finished and deservedly so' but then realised that's a bit unfair on the probably comfortably more than 1/2 of voters who'll vote for Biden and still somehow lose...

At least turnout this time will be sufficiently high so that "couldn't be bothered" won't be the largest single group.

It's still sad that there will be millions who won't be able to vote for one reason or another though.

WTAF America though, this shouldn't even be close!

No. It should be a landslide, but that's only if you apply a different set of values than 40-45% of people have. What I might consider reasonable steps to constrain the spread of a pandemic, they think are intolerable constraints on their liberty. What I might think of as reasonable taxation to fund public services, they think of as theft.

My values are as alien to them, as theirs are to me. Perhaps more so because conservatives appear to be less able to consider another person's point of view.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I’m sure the right wing terrorists who murder people and threaten the lives of government officials will protect conservative voters from the potential scourge of broken windows.

Listen white people's property being much more important than the lives of brown people is a time honored tradition of the right.

That's why the social discourse right now is "Well I wwwwwaaaassss going to be concerned about massive civil rights violations up to and including murder by law enforcement... but then I saw some black people knock over a trash can and know I don't know what to believe..."

 

[The Don]

Yeah, as indicate above, I am worried about a high turnout.
The anti-Trump voters (and lets face it- that is all us "Biden Supporters" are) are already as motivated as any voting block has been in a long time. That there is massive turnout may indicate that the Trumpsters are rising to the challenge.

I need a Tums.

I'm eyeing up some Icelandic Akavit that's been in the freezer for more than four years.

Even a Trump victory couldn't be worse than that

 

[phiwum]

Conservative voters do not riot and loot urban areas. They mostly do not even live in them. The boarding up is obviously done against what we have seen all year in cites around the country. These owners are hedging and do not want to lose their businesses in case of some mob reaction to a Trump win, however improbable the polls may have it. They have been wrong before.

I tend to agree that urban areas are not preparing for pro-Trump riots but anti-Trump riots.

But it's not just about the odds Trump wins. It's also about the odds that he tries to claim a victory when he's lost. Desperate shenanigans will likely lead to large protests which sometimes come with looting.

 

[Distracted1]

I tend to agree that urban areas are not preparing for pro-Trump riots but anti-Trump riots.

But it's not just about the odds Trump wins. It's also about the odds that he tries to claim a victory when he's lost. Desperate shenanigans will likely lead to large protests which sometimes come with looting.

Nobody wants to miss out on their chance to riot this year.
If Trump gets elected, it will absolutely demand that Foot-Lockers, Phone Stores, and drug stores be looted.
If defeated, the celebratory looting will be oddly similar in appearance.

Glad we are already all boarded up here in Philly.

 

[johnny karate]

Nobody wants to miss out on their chance to riot this year.
If Trump gets elected, it will absolutely demand that Foot-Lockers, Phone Stores, and drug stores be looted.
If defeated, the celebratory looting will be oddly similar in appearance.

Glad we are already all boarded up here in Philly.

What are the people of Philadelphia doing to prepare themselves for being murdered by right wingers if Trump loses?

 

[rdwight]

Do you really think businesses are boarding up because they think Trump is going to win and Biden supporters are going to riot? Surely the reverse is much more likely.

Picture me with the straightest face you can imagine:

There store fronts are being boarded up in case Trump supports [sic] go wild if he loses.

This is NYC I'm talking about. They can be preparing for a Trump victory or a Trump loss, but either way it's not Trump supporters they are boarding up in response to. If the reality around that changes I will be glad to accept it, but until then I don't see a need to avoid the obvious.

That’s because right wingers aren’t satisfied with vandalism. They kill people and plot to kidnap elected officials.

Yes, only right wingers have attempted to kill elected officials. We should definitely ignore any events that happened in recent memory where that was not the case, because if we don't than we can't use that talking point.


Not directed at anyone in particular but the first part of my question seemed to be glossed over. Does anyone have memory of an election with this kind of preparation for violence due to the results? I am probably at the younger end of the posters here but I can't think of anything remotely close.

 

[Mumbles]

Conservative voters do not riot and loot urban areas. They mostly do not even live in them.

This is false - with the most notable examples being Boogaloo Boys, the Proud Boys, and in many cases the local police. In truth, there was little to no rioting in most cities on election day in almost every case, and even Dolt 45's inauguration saw a small handful of anarchists breaking windows - followed by a massive DoJ mess where people were rounded up indiscriminately and prosecuted with no basis, known as the J20 prosecutions.

Personally, I'm still far more worried about the same groups going violent, attacking people, and so forth, regardless of whether Toupee Fiasco wins or loses. Because they've made it clear for years that this is simply what they want to do - thus the fantasies about running people over, shooting nonwhite people, wild conspiracy theories about child sacrifices in the nonexistent basements of local pizza parlors, and so forth.

 

[Distracted1]

What are the people of Philadelphia doing to prepare themselves for being murdered by right wingers if Trump loses?

For some reason, we are amazingly unconcerned with that possibility.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

Anyone who is claiming they think the precautions are for right wing rioters is not being honest and/or serious, not sure which.

If Trump loses you'll see some whining, maybe hear about some guys in trucks somewhere honking a bit, and later you'll hear about the FBI stopping some militia group who planned to do something trivial and if you dig into it you'll find out the FBI actually put them up to it anyway.

If Trump wins, especially if it's close or there's any sort of disputed element, the left / Antifa / BLM will continue doing what they've done for months and they will burn and loot and commit violence.

 

[johnny karate]

Yes, only right wingers have attempted to kill elected officials. We should definitely ignore any events that happened in recent memory where that was not the case, because if we don't than we can't use that talking point.

We don’t need to use “talking points“. We can use aggregated data. It paints a pretty clear picture of where the majority of the violence is coming from, and it’s not antifa window-breakers.

Not directed at anyone in particular but the first part of my question seemed to be glossed over. Does anyone have memory of an election with this kind of preparation for violence due to the results? I am probably at the younger end of the posters here but I can't think of anything remotely close.

Probably not. Mostly because we don’t usually have one of the candidates of a presidential election who actively condones and provokes violence from his supporters.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Well we're back in Trumper fantasy land where the big mean... wussy latte-sipping, kale-eating, limp wristed liberals who don't know which bathroom to use and need safe spaces are also the biggest terrorist group in the world.

 

[johnny karate]

Anyone who is claiming they think the precautions are for right wing rioters is not being honest and/or serious, not sure which.

If Trump loses you'll see some whining, maybe hear about some guys in trucks somewhere honking a bit, and later you'll hear about the FBI stopping some militia group who planned to do something trivial and if you dig into it you'll find out the FBI actually put them up to it anyway.

If Trump wins, especially if it's close or there's any sort of disputed element, the left / Antifa / BLM will continue doing what they've done for months and they will burn and loot and commit violence.

Here’s you, openly advocating for state-sanctioned mass murder:

I wish the police were just straight up opening fire on these groups of protestors at this point

 

[johnny karate]

Well we're back in Trumper fantasy land where the big mean... wussy latte -kale-eating limp wristed liberals who don't know which bathroom to use and need safe spaces are also the biggest terrorist group in the world.

And where “something trivial” = a plot to kidnap a governor.

 

[Aridas]

Yes, only right wingers have attempted to kill elected officials. We should definitely ignore any events that happened in recent memory where that was not the case, because if we don't than we can't use that talking point.

While it's entirely reasonable to say that businesses boarding up in NYC are far more concerned about Trump winning outrage than Biden winning outrage... trying to create a false equivalence isn't going to help your case on that point. There really is no honest equivalence to be found between the left and right when it comes to extremist killings and violence.

Not directed at anyone in particular but the first part of my question seemed to be glossed over. Does anyone have memory of an election with this kind of preparation for violence due to the results? I am probably at the younger end of the posters here but I can't think of anything remotely close.

I'm not coming up with anything close, either, really, in recent history. And that's fundamentally one of the main reasons that Trump really needs to be gone.

With that said, though, I feel like poking at a couple headlines/articles -

On this day 100 years ago, a White mob unleashed the deadliest Election Day violence in US history

And...

Violence Has Long Been a Feature of American Elections

In America's past, efforts by disadvantaged citizens to secure greater political influence have been met with violent repression

 

[Skeptic Tank]

Here’s you, openly advocating for state-sanctioned mass murder:

That's me saying that when you have people who are burning cities down, throwing bricks at police's heads, attacking people they perceive to be the wrong political camp and/or wrong race and/or a business owner - and they've been doing this across the country for months, it isn't unreasonable to give the police / national guard orders to start firing at them with live rounds.

Because it isn't unreasonable. It's incredibly, breath-takingly basic and normal to suggest that.

It's actually remarkable that it wasn't done months ago. The great majority of these events happened BECAUSE it wasn't done.

 

[Thermal]

Here in New Jersey, we've been seeing Trumpanzee parades, pickemup trucks with flags and banners honking their horns and blocking traffic (no guns, tho, no-carry State). Yesterday one had a black armored personnel carrier in with the pickemups. Pretty sure that had to come from county SORT, but I couldn't see the plates or lettering. Also pretty sure it shouldn't legally have been used there. Then again, two local municipalities here have 'In God We Trust' on the backs of cop cars.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Oh Trump still has the "Giant Ovesized Pickup Truck Flag" demographic locked down pretty much 100%.

 

[Darat]

That's me saying that when you have people who are burning cities down, throwing bricks at police's heads, attacking people they perceive to be the wrong political camp and/or wrong race and/or a business owner - and they've been doing this across the country for months, it isn't unreasonable to give the police / national guard orders to start firing at them with live rounds.

Because it isn't unreasonable. It's incredibly, breath-takingly basic and normal to suggest that.

It's actually remarkable that it wasn't done months ago. The great majority of these events happened BECAUSE it wasn't done.

If you are an occupying force in a foreign country you may have a point but in the USA citizens shooting citizens as you describe should be totally abhorrent and "unreasonable" to any decent human being.