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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...rties-across-europe/ar-BB1alF6B?ocid=msedgdhp

"Boris Johnson is facing growing condemnation for an “appalling” Tory alliance with neo-Nazi and anti-Muslim parties across Europe, as a Conservative peer reveals how he has refused to act.

The extraordinary pact sees the party’s MPs sitting alongside the “heirs of Mussolini” in Italy and an Estonian party that celebrates its wartime collaboration with Hitler, among other far-right groups in the Council of Europe.

Yet, Lord Balfe reveals, his repeated attempts to persuade the prime minister to take action have been rebuffed – as he was told it was going on “a long way away and no one understands it”.

Instead, the peer was kicked out of the European Conservatives Group for protesting to No 10 after the group “invited in” the far-right so-called Democratic Alliance, he said.

“It’s appalling,” Lord Balfe told The Independent, “this group contains virtually every video nasty in the book and we should not be mixed up with them.”

The best-known far-right parties in the coalition are the anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany and Italy’s Northern League, but others are even more extreme.

The Brothers of Italy was born out of the country’s fascist movement, while the first leader of the Freedom Party of Austria – once headed by the notorious Jorg Haider – was a Nazi minister and SS officer.

Lord Balfe said he has seen the Sweden Democrats “walk around Stockholm with swastikas”, while Bulgaria’s United Patriots “were elected on the basis that there were too many mosques”.

The Conservative People’s Party of Estonia attends an annual march to commemorate the Estonian Legion – a unit of the Waffen-SS during the Second World War."
 
The idea of the undeserving poor and how they should be treated by government started in Elizabethan times with the first poor laws. It has always suited the rich to continue the debate about the undeserving poor, to distract from the undeserving rich. This time, probably due to the role of Marcus Rashford, the mantra of not supporting the undeserving poor has backfired on those who voted against free school meals to be continued during the holidays.
 
Talking of the "undeserving poor":

"A Conservative MP is facing calls to apologise amid claims he stigmatised working class families in a row over Marcus Rashford’s free school meals campaign.

A Conservative MP is facing calls to apologise amid claims he stigmatised working class families in a row over Marcus Rashford’s free school meals campaign.

Ben Bradley, one of hundreds of Tory MPs to vote against providing free food during the school holidays, replied to a tweet describing the programme as “£20 cash direct to a crack den and a brothel”.

In his post, which has since been removed, Mr Bradley wrote: “That’s what FSM (free school meal) vouchers in the summer effectively did...”

In an interview with BBC Breakfast, Mr Bradley claimed his tweet had been taken out of context, though he did not explain how."

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...rect-to-a-crack-den/ar-BB1alMGq?ocid=msedgdhp

Drug dealers and brothels accept free school meal vouchers?
 
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RolandRat said:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...rties-across-europe/ar-BB1alF6B?ocid=msedgdhp

"Boris Johnson is facing growing condemnation for an “appalling” Tory alliance with neo-Nazi and anti-Muslim parties across Europe, as a Conservative peer reveals how he has refused to act.

The extraordinary pact sees the party’s MPs sitting alongside the “heirs of Mussolini” in Italy and an Estonian party that celebrates its wartime collaboration with Hitler, among other far-right groups in the Council of Europe.

Yet, Lord Balfe reveals, his repeated attempts to persuade the prime minister to take action have been rebuffed – as he was told it was going on “a long way away and no one understands it”.

Instead, the peer was kicked out of the European Conservatives Group for protesting to No 10 after the group “invited in” the far-right so-called Democratic Alliance, he said.

“It’s appalling,” Lord Balfe told The Independent, “this group contains virtually every video nasty in the book and we should not be mixed up with them.”

The best-known far-right parties in the coalition are the anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany and Italy’s Northern League, but others are even more extreme.

The Brothers of Italy was born out of the country’s fascist movement, while the first leader of the Freedom Party of Austria – once headed by the notorious Jorg Haider – was a Nazi minister and SS officer.

Lord Balfe said he has seen the Sweden Democrats “walk around Stockholm with swastikas”, while Bulgaria’s United Patriots “were elected on the basis that there were too many mosques”.

The Conservative People’s Party of Estonia attends an annual march to commemorate the Estonian Legion – a unit of the Waffen-SS during the Second World War."
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As it has ever been.

News at Ten! People shocked!! Scorpion kills frog!!!

Twitter user "Ivor Lendingmyvote" said "I can't believe it, I was sure this time the scorpion would tell the truth!"
 
"A senior Tory has said the party has to "admit we've misunderstood the mood of the country" over the extension of free school meals - adding that the government will probably have to "think again" after voting against the move.

Sir Bernard Jenkin, the Conservative chairman of the Liaison Committee, made the remarks as pressure builds on Boris Johnson to perform a U-turn on the issue.

He added: "I think when you've got the chairman of the Education Select Committee not supporting the government on this, and he's a Conservative, I think the government has to listen to the Conservative Party."

Sir Bernard was absent from the vote on free school meals but said he would have supported the government's position."

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...conservative-admits/ar-BB1amKsa?ocid=msedgdhp

He thinks the Government has got it wrong, but he will still vote the way they tell him to. Spineless.
 
Fijian-born British soldiers lose latest legal fight to stay in UK
High court rejects call for judicial review of eight veterans’ immigration case

Eight Fijian-born soldiers who served with the British army in Iraq and Afghanistan have been rebuffed in their initial attempt to seek a judicial review of the handling of their immigration claims.

A high court judge said the Commonwealth veterans were “out of time” – but the veterans are able to demand a fuller oral hearing in December, where they will make a final attempt to win the right to remain in the UK.

The British army actively recruits from Fiji and those who serve more than four years have the right to remain in the UK if they can afford the application fees. But the eight say that because of systemic administrative errors they were not properly informed of their rights when discharged.

Esita Tuimanu, from Commonwealth Neglected Veterans, said the eight were victims of “institutional discrimination” from the Home Office and Ministry of Defence and they would “keep on fighting till the end”.
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...oldiers-lose-latest-legal-fight-to-stay-in-uk
 
Ben Bradley - who says parents of hungry kids will somehow spend school meal vouchers on crack and prostitutes - claimed £58,985.65 in HoC expenses in 11 months.

That's £5,362.33 a month.
 
Michelle Donelan MP on why she voted against free school meals

https://michelledonelan.co.uk/free-school-meals-vote/

"However I am not convinced that free school meals are the best or even the correct mechanism to deal with holiday hunger. Targeted support for low income families is a matter for the welfare system, not our schools. In fact unlike schools, the welfare system was designed as the safety net to provide direct support all year round. This can be seen in the increase this government has put in place both in Universal Credit standard allowance and Working Tax Credit basic element."

The reasons why some kids need FSM are many and varied and are often short term. Schools are ideally placed to target those kids and feed them. Schools are an important part of child welfare provisions, know about vulnerable children and have the facilities to feed them. Claiming there is a better way, without saying what it is and how it can start to feed the children now, is really just a way to dodge the issue and leave those kids hungry. She goes on to say;

"I have spoken before on the issue of holiday hunger and my concerns – it’s an issue I believe we need to keep addressing but not with a sticking plaster but a long term solution that also deals with the other associated needs."

She misses the point schools have been feeding vulnerable kids since schools first started to provide meals. Nothing has ever been put into place to make similar provision during holidays. Schools are the solution and it is odd she thinks there may be another way.
 
Nessie said:
She misses the point schools have been feeding vulnerable kids since schools first started to provide meals. Nothing has ever been put into place to make similar provision during holidays. Schools are the solution and it is odd she thinks there may be another way.
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Not if you believe the other way is doing bugger all.
 
RolandRat said:
"A senior Tory has said the party has to "admit we've misunderstood the mood of the country" over the extension of free school meals - adding that the government will probably have to "think again" after voting against the move.

Sir Bernard Jenkin, the Conservative chairman of the Liaison Committee, made the remarks as pressure builds on Boris Johnson to perform a U-turn on the issue.

He added: "I think when you've got the chairman of the Education Select Committee not supporting the government on this, and he's a Conservative, I think the government has to listen to the Conservative Party."

Sir Bernard was absent from the vote on free school meals but said he would have supported the government's position."

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...conservative-admits/ar-BB1amKsa?ocid=msedgdhp

He thinks the Government has got it wrong, but he will still vote the way they tell him to. Spineless.
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Note, he is saying they should change policy not from any sense of right and wrong, or a matter of principle but because it may reduce majorities.
 
The Tories help poor people out with universal credit.

The last election certainly,but in others as well, the Tories have pushed the mantra that we need to squeeze the pips of the poor to incentivise them to work.

Universal credit as far as I can tell pays
£342.72 per month for single claimants under 25
£409.89 per month for single claimants aged 25 or over
£488.59 per month for joint claimants both under 25
£594.04 per month for joint claimants with either aged 25 or over

The fact that furlough pays many multiples of this shows there is an deserving and undeserving poor as far as the Tories are concerned and starving kids are just a consequence.
 
Garrison said:
Not if you believe the other way is doing bugger all.
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This is disingenuous politics at its worse, mixed in with of course hypocrisy. She knows full well the need is today, and of course she is well aware of the problem that this is meant to solve but she tries to pretend she wants to fix the major problem, she is attempting to create the impression that you can't do both.

Seen this argumentative technique elsewhere on the forum today, it's disgusting.
 
Lothian said:
The Tories help poor people out with universal credit.

The last election certainly,but in others as well, the Tories have pushed the mantra that we need to squeeze the pips of the poor to incentivise them to work.

Universal credit as far as I can tell pays
£342.72 per month for single claimants under 25
£409.89 per month for single claimants aged 25 or over
£488.59 per month for joint claimants both under 25
£594.04 per month for joint claimants with either aged 25 or over

The fact that furlough pays many multiples of this shows there is an deserving and undeserving poor as far as the Tories are concerned and starving kids are just a consequence.
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The deserving poor are the ones who struggle to make ends meet on 150 grand.
 
£5 grand a month! That's a hell of a lot of crack and prostitutes! How did he manage it? Red Bull, Viagra and Complan - must have been.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Ben Bradley - who says parents of hungry kids will somehow spend school meal vouchers on crack and prostitutes - claimed £58,985.65 in HoC expenses in 11 months.

That's £5,362.33 a month.
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Them duck houses aren't going to paint themselves you know.

Darat said:
Note, he is saying they should change policy not from any sense of right and wrong, or a matter of principle but because it may reduce majorities.
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I didn't actually look at it that way, that just makes it even more reprehensible. The Tories have never been in sync with the general public but crikey, how more out of touch can this lot get?
 
RolandRat said:
I didn't actually look at it that way, that just makes it even more reprehensible. The Tories have never been in sync with the general public but crikey, how more out of touch can this lot get?
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I reckon by Christmas Boris will be putting on puppydog eyes and telling us how the little children really need chlorinated chicken.
 
Is there anything else that the Tories think children should be punished for, that their parents did?

Punishing someone for something they did not do and had no control over is utterly reprehensible. It goes against human rights and all legal principles.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
How much crack do you reckon a free school meal pot of yoghurt is worth?

Apparently we shouldn't give food to hungry kids because they might swap it for drugs.
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afaik it's in the form of vouchers, so the concern is the adults will not use the vouchers for food for the kids, but for other nefarious reasons.
I don't see a drug dealer accepting vouchers, but who knows.

I did see a big sign in iceland when I was in there earlier that stated 'we will not accept food vouchers for alcohol' though.
 
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