2020 Presidential Election

[Stacyhs]

Trump Retweeted
Rick Perry
@GovernorPerry
@JoeBiden & Barack Obama killed the coal industry and if elected he will come after oil & gas!
@realDonaldTrump is a champion for ALL American energy https://nypost.com/2020/10/24/why-p...g-trump-even-though-he-didnt-bring-jobs-back/ #KAG2020

I know Rick Perry is an idiot, but even he must know that the coal industry was dying long before Obama was president. The coal industry/ employment has been declining since the 1980's. Oh, wait....I forgot: facts and truth don't matter in Trumplandia.

 

[Bob001]

I know Rick Perry is an idiot, but even he must know that the coal industry was dying long before Obama was president. The coal industry/ employment has been declining since the 1980's. Oh, wait....I forgot: facts and truth don't matter in Trumplandia.

A Time reporter who spent weeks talking to Trumpers says that they consistently believe things that are false and dismiss things that are true. She called it "a sort of unlogic." When she gave them facts, they either didn't believe her or didn't care.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2020/10/25/exp-gps-1025-bremmer-alter-osborne-panel-election-2020.cnn

Unlogic is not ignorance or stupidity; it is reason distorted by suspicion and misinformation, an Orwellian state of mind that arranges itself around convenient fictions rather than established facts.

https://time.com/5897887/swing-states-2020-election/

 

[Trebuchet]

Lindsey Graham is calling for an investigation into his opponent for raising so much money against him. He claims (((shadowy figure))) donors are at work.

Fixed that for you!

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Nope, lines where I live (a well-built, well-financed suburb) are also short to nonexistant. It's usually a combination of state-level Republican control and local black or Native communities that lead to long lines, busted voting machines, and the like suddenly appearing - and this has been true for decades now.

This ^

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Oh for sure. But if the mechanics of voting means that it takes 10 minutes to cast your vote even if there's no waiting whatsoever, I can see how a line can quickly build up.

If you know who you're voting for it's fast. If you're still reading the voters pamphlet for the down ballot choices when you get in the booth it can take longer (speaking from experience).

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Trump Tweets

Joe Biden said he couldn’t get anything done during his last eight years because he had a Republican Congress.
@realDonaldTrump had a Congress that impeached him, yet he still rescued the economy,

That didn't need rescuing

rebuilt our military, created rising wages, and brokered historic peace deals.

And BS to the rest of the claims.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Lindsey Graham is calling for an investigation into his opponent for raising so much money against him. He claims "shadowy figure" donors are at work.

OMG! What a crybaby.

 

[Stacyhs]

[/HILITE]
A Time reporter who spent weeks talking to Trumpers says that they consistently believe things that are false and dismiss things that are true. She called it "a sort of unlogic." When she gave them facts, they either didn't believe her or didn't care.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2020/10/25/exp-gps-1025-bremmer-alter-osborne-panel-election-2020.cnn
Quote:

Unlogic is not ignorance or stupidity; it is reason distorted by suspicion and misinformation, an Orwellian state of mind that arranges itself around convenient fictions rather than established facts.

https://time.com/5897887/swing-states-2020-election/

I disagree that it is not ignorance or stupidity. It is ignorance by choice. When they choose to live in a bubble of right wing media then they choose to know only one side. The facts are out there if they choose to look. That they choose not to is stupidity.

 

[Venom]

This image shows early voting in the 18-29 age group this year compared to 2016 in three battleground states.

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/L9sUDmh.jpg[/qimg]

I almost don't believe that....but I hope it's true.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Retweeted

Team Trump (Text VOTE to 88022)
@TeamTrump
President @realDonaldTrump: In my second term I will pass another historic middle-class TAX CUT!

President @realDonaldTrump: We are giving you a great new Supreme Court Justice on Monday!

President @realDonaldTrump: We are bringing drug prices way down!

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I know it's risky but I'm saying Biden will outperform the polls in Texas. There's a new voter factor there that the polling isn't capturing. Trump may have done what no Democrat has every been able to do, get the Texan Hispanic potential voters to the polls.

How do we know polling isn't capturing new voters?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

Amazing!
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Justin Clark
@chefjclark
People ask why the President fights so hard in court for ballot integrity? Why we have such an extensive Election Day Operations team? This is whyDown pointing backhand index twitter.com/SteveGuest/sta…

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Retweeted

The White House
@WhiteHouse
US government account
In Maine, Medicare health plan premiums are down 27% under President @realDonaldTrump!

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweeted

He didn’t stick around for the primaries, either. He left WAY early
Quote Tweet

Corey R. Lewandowski
@CLewandowski_
The people of N.H. turn out to see @realDonaldTrump. Why hasn’t @JoeBiden been to the Granite State yet?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Retweeted

Ronna McDaniel
@GOPChairwoman
Joe Biden is saying dark days are ahead.
@realDonaldTrump is saying the best is yet to come!
http://Vote.GOP

Team Trump (Text VOTE to 88022)
@TeamTrump
President @realDonaldTrump: How can Biden make a deal with China when he’s taken money from them for himself? His son walked away with 1.5 billion dollars!

President @realDonaldTrump: The media asks Biden questions about ice cream, they don’t ask me questions like that!

 

[Stacyhs]

Trump Retweeted


President @realDonaldTrump: The media asks Biden questions about ice cream, they don’t ask me questions like that!

And I get TWO scoops when everyone else only gets one!

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

This image shows early voting in the 18-29 age group this year compared to 2016 in three battleground states.

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/L9sUDmh.jpg[/qimg]

I know how badly people in my circles want Trump out. I don't see that kind of enthusiasm to keep Trump in.

I do hope the early turnout means something good.

 

[bonzombiekitty]

How do we know polling isn't capturing new voters?

Polls are weighted based on what we "know" about the voting population. If historically younger voters don't vote and the polls are weighted to reflect that, then if younger voters suddenly turn up in big numbers the polls will have underweighted them.

Similar to what happened to non college educated voters in 2016.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Polls are weighted based on what we "know" about the voting population. If historically younger voters don't vote and the polls are weighted to reflect that, then if younger voters suddenly turn up in big numbers the polls will have underweighted them.

Similar to what happened to non college educated voters in 2016.

Thanks.

 

[kookbreaker]

I think Pennsylvania will go Biden safely but he'll probably match the polling data that exists now. Trump has a motivated base in Pennsylvania that will show up but there's a equally motivated anti Trump vote in the urban centers. Biden is three points ahead of where Clinton was at this point and she lost by a razor thin margin.

Biden will poll just fine in PA. But the Trump campaign is pulling out just about every dirty legal trick they can to make certain mail-in ballots are not counted. They've lost a number of them but also won a few.

Two days ago, Trump lost the attempt to reject ballots based on signature comparisons.

Five days ago, Trump lost an attempt to limit the time allowed to count mail-in ballots (counting starts on election day morning). (the Supreme Court was tied on this, letting previous ruling stand.). Trump is trying to get another ruling on this.

Six days ago, Trump lost the attempt to reject ballots received after the election (but postmarked prior to the elections).

In September, Trump won the case that allowed the rejection of 'naked ballots', i.e. mail-in votes that did not use the security envelope.

Enough of these tricks work and Trump can win PA, even if he lost by twice as much as he won in 2016.