Bill Barr and his October Surprise

The Great Zaganza said:
Something to consider if you think the laptop contains criminal material:

the way the information has come to light, via the Post through Rudy. has made it completely impossible to get any conviction for anything, even if there is clear evidence for criminal wrongdoing.
If you are at all interested in seeing any of the Biden in jail for crimes you think they have committed, you should be furious at Giuliani for giving Hunter and Joe the perfect excuse to have the evidence tossed out.
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How does the information coming to light via the NYP and Giuliani impact anything if the FBI had the laptop already? Personally, I don't think anybody of any importance is going to jail over this, or even that that is the main issue. Is this a tainted jury pool thing, or what?
 
shuttlt said:
How does the information coming to light via the NYP and Giuliani impact anything if the FBI had the laptop already? Personally, I don't think anybody of any importance is going to jail over this, or even that that is the main issue. Is this a tainted jury pool thing, or what?
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tainted jury pool, affected witnesses, chance for the perpetrators to tamper with evidence/coordinate statements (if you think that might be the case), and yes, as soon as the President tweets about a case, the Jury might as well never show up.
 
Darat said:
Yeah the chain of custody is so broken I’d doubt they’d even be allowed to use the laptop as a doorstop in the courtroom.
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Really? Any trial would presumably have evidence about whether or not Hunter Biden dropped the laptop off, whether the laptop was Hunter Biden's etc.... That seems like where the questions are, and they seem like easily answerable questions. After that, I don't see how this differs from Gary Glitters laptop. Owner drops laptop off, repair person examines laptop, repair shop guy contacts authorities, repair shop guy hands laptop over to authorities. That doesn't seem like such a remarkable chain of custody. Implicit in here seems to be the assumption that at some point Biden denies that the material is genuine.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
tainted jury pool, affected witnesses, chance for the perpetrators to tamper with evidence/coordinate statements (if you think that might be the case), and yes, as soon as the President tweets about a case, the Jury might as well never show up.
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Honestly, I think there was no possibility of this seeing the light of day without those issues. In any case, prison time for this seems like the least important consequence.
 
shuttlt said:
Honestly, I think there was no possibility of this seeing the light of day without those issues. In any case, prison time for this seems like the least important consequence.
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So your point is that it is better to try the Bidens in the Court of Public Opinion than in an actual Court?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
So your point is that it is better to try the Bidens in the Court of Public Opinion than in an actual Court?
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I don't know about better. Are Trumps tax returns not being discussed in public because they should be left to the auditors? Many things are non-criminal but change our view of people. We've had years of leaks and "an anonymous source says"... Grubby as it may be, it's ridiculous to pearl clutch over this. I agree that there are real problems with people using the court of public opinion to bypass the actual courts, but in the case of politicians you'd be asking for an end to investigative journalists digging into politicians.
 
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shuttlt said:
... repair shop guy hands laptop over to authorities. ....
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...Who ensured a chain of custody. Here it was intercepted and handled by an intermediary (Gulliani) who, considering his alleged expertise in law should have known better. He has tainted the evidence if there was any. And with his background in the DA he definitely knew that the "evidence" would not be admissible. We can safely say that the primary aim of this "revelation" is to just muddy the waters.
 
Susheel said:
...Who ensured a chain of custody. Here it was intercepted and handled by an intermediary (Gulliani) who, considering his alleged expertise in law should have known better. He has tainted the evidence if there was any. And with his background in the DA he definitely knew that the "evidence" would not be admissible. We can safely say that the primary aim of this "revelation" is to just muddy the waters.
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Yup. The aim is to increase noise level, not unlike the various 9/11 Truther groups and their "publications" and "research".
 
Susheel said:
...Who ensured a chain of custody. Here it was intercepted and handled by an intermediary (Gulliani) who, considering his alleged expertise in law should have known better. He has tainted the evidence if there was any. And with his background in the DA he definitely knew that the "evidence" would not be admissible. We can safely say that the primary aim of this "revelation" is to just muddy the waters.
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I didn't think Giuliani had been involved in handing it over to the FBI. The subpoena is to the repair shop guy in December 2019. Supposedly the repair shop guy gave the copy of the hard drive to Guiliani's lawyer in September 2020. What has Guiliani got to do with any chain of custody on the laptop?
 
Tero said:
Still no evidence of a laptop other than the fake NYPost documents.

Rudy is likely to have gotten hold of faked Hunter Biden documents and any photos in Ukraine last year:
https://time.com/5902557/hunter-biden-rudy-giuliani-ukraine/
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Is the theory here that the repair shop guy has forged multiple documents from the FBI including signatures of FBI agents and passing them around and the FBI haven't done anything about it? Why?
 
shuttlt said:
Is the theory here that the repair shop guy has forged multiple documents from the FBI including signatures of FBI agents and passing them around and the FBI haven't done anything about it? Why?
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My theory is that the FBI got the laptop that the Repair Shop had (from whatever source), but is not doing much about it for pretty obvious reasons.
 
shuttlt said:
Is the theory here that the repair shop guy has forged multiple documents from the FBI including signatures of FBI agents and passing them around and the FBI haven't done anything about it? Why?
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Earlier in the thread there was a link to a Twitter sleuth who examined the FBI document. The serial number of the hard drive named in the document wasn't manufactured until after the anonymous person who couldn't fake Hunter Biden's signature had supposedly dropped off the laptop. You might have missed that because of your ignore list (like you're missing this).
 
wareyin said:
Earlier in the thread there was a link to a Twitter sleuth who examined the FBI document. The serial number of the hard drive named in the document wasn't manufactured until after the anonymous person who couldn't fake Hunter Biden's signature had supposedly dropped off the laptop. You might have missed that because of your ignore list (like you're missing this).
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The date he believed the external drive was manufactured was April 18 2019. So before the repair guy said he coped the files. He also falsely believed that the laptop didn't have a removable SSD, and hence recovery would have been very difficult. He acknowledges he mistakes in part of the twitter thread that doesn't get screenshotted.
 
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shuttlt said:
Really? Any trial would presumably have evidence about whether or not Hunter Biden dropped the laptop off, whether the laptop was Hunter Biden's etc.... That seems like where the questions are, and they seem like easily answerable questions. After that, I don't see how this differs from Gary Glitters laptop. Owner drops laptop off, repair person examines laptop, repair shop guy contacts authorities, repair shop guy hands laptop over to authorities. That doesn't seem like such a remarkable chain of custody. Implicit in here seems to be the assumption that at some point Biden denies that the material is genuine.
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Very different scenarios.
 
shuttlt said:
The date he believed the external drive was manufactured was April 18 2019. So before the repair guy said he coped the files. He also falsely believed that the laptop didn't have a removable SSD, and hence recovery would have been very difficult. He acknowledges he mistakes in part of the twitter thread that doesn't get screenshotted.
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So we are agreed that the FBI subpoena info you are relying on doesn't actually indicate that they have anything belonging to Hunter Biden? And your repeated attempts to claim that the FBI making no comment implies....something (?) are much more indicative of your desire to believe this story than indicative that this farcical story is true?
 
Darat said:
Very different scenarios.
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Not so different if you count Rudy Giuliani as "authorities". Of course, no sane person would, and it seems likely that Giuliani actually aquired this particular trove of Russian disinformation in Ukraine.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Something to consider if you think the laptop contains criminal material:

the way the information has come to light, via the Post through Rudy. has made it completely impossible to get any conviction for anything, even if there is clear evidence for criminal wrongdoing.
If you are at all interested in seeing any of the Biden in jail for crimes you think they have committed, you should be furious at Giuliani for giving Hunter and Joe the perfect excuse to have the evidence tossed out.
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Not sure why you think that given the repair guy gave it to the FBI months before his intermediary contacted Giuliani's attorney Costello.
 
wareyin said:
So we are agreed that the FBI subpoena info you are relying on doesn't actually indicate that they have anything belonging to Hunter Biden? And your repeated attempts to claim that the FBI making no comment implies....something (?) are much more indicative of your desire to believe this story than indicative that this farcical story is true?
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What are you talking about? You seemed to be claiming that I was missing some critical bit of evidence that the external drive that the repair guy copied the files to might not have been manufactured until the day after the laptop was dropped off with him. Where are you going with that?
 
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