Bill Barr and his October Surprise

xjx388 said:
Well, yeah. The NYT isn't really into sordid gossip-mongering.
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The NYT published stories about Trump and Pissgate and the claims of a prostitute that the President's penis was shaped like a mushroom from Mario Kart. I'm not sure the NYT is in a position to act like sordid gossip is beneath them.
 
shuttlt said:
The NYT published stories about Trump and Pissgate and the claims of a prostitute that the President's penis was shaped like a mushroom from Mario Kart. I'm not sure the NYT is in a position to act like sordid gossip is beneath them.
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Not quite the same. It’s surely sordid, but it wasn’t quite gossipy. There was an actual thing called the Steele Dossier that detailed sordid activities. Stormy Daniels wrote a book that they may have covered. Those were newsworthy items.

These underage sex rumors are just that. Nothing but pure gossip. No corroboration. No one credible willing to put their names on the line and say they actually saw this. That’s the definition of gossip.
 
xjx388 said:
Not quite the same. It’s surely sordid, but it wasn’t quite gossipy. There was an actual thing called the Steele Dossier that detailed sordid activities. Stormy Daniels wrote a book that they may have covered. Those were newsworthy items.

These underage sex rumors are just that. Nothing but pure gossip. No corroboration. No one credible willing to put their names on the line and say they actually saw this. That’s the definition of gossip.
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I don't think there's even that. From what I've read, it's pictures of a topless 14 year old. That's not "sex".
 
TahiniBinShawarma said:
You might want to tell Steele LOL https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ebunked-claim-about-russian-collusion-in-2016

"British ex-spy Christopher Steele testified he met with Democratic lawyers during the 2016 presidential election, and one provided him with now-debunked claims about alleged Trump-Russia collusion as he compiled his dossier."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulro...ier-is-false-news-and-heres-why/#5937e9b36867
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Were those now-debunked claims in the Steele dossier?
 
The more I learn about this story, the less I think there's Russian disinformation behind it. It's just so damn dumb. They have to have better ideas than that.

I'm just picturing a young analyst in Moscow or wherever the hell these guys are, talking about a new scheme of "finding" an inappropriate email on a laptop but not bothering to actually fake one but actually it's child pornography but maybe it isn't and they're giving it to a computer guy whose security system doesn't work but he'll swear he saw Hunter Biden even though he's blind and his shop is nowhere near anywhere Hunter Biden would need a computer disposed of but only a couple of miles from Joe Biden's house and it must be an attempt to get rid of it because he was told to repair it and hold onto it but no one ever picked it up so instead he calls Steve Bannon who calls Guiliani who picks it up and calls Hannity's old producer to write a story that they need to get published without verification which even Fox News won't do despite everyone being on a first name basis with the hacks who work there so they'll go to the New York Post who'll run it but even their writers won't put their names on the byline and that will surely make it all airtight and convincing and then and then and then

And then his supervisor would come over.
He would pull up a chair, one of those old school, gray-painted ones with a thick metal frame and rolling wheels that squeal like nails on a chalkboard.

He would look the analyst in the eyes, and softly say Comrade. Comrade Badenov. You are an excellent analyst. You have been pushing yourself too hard. I think you need a few days off. Go home. Come back when you are rested and dry.
 
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Beelzebuddy said:
The more I learn about this story, the less I think there's Russian disinformation behind it. It's just so damn dumb. They have to have better ideas than that.

I'm just picturing a young analyst in Moscow or wherever the hell these guys are, talking about a new scheme of "finding" an inappropriate email on a laptop but not bothering to actually fake one but actually it's child pornography but maybe it isn't and they're giving it to a computer guy whose security system doesn't work but he'll swear he saw Hunter Biden even though he's blind and his shop is nowhere near anywhere Hunter Biden would need a computer disposed of but only a couple of miles from Joe Biden's house and it must be an attempt to get rid of it because he was told to repair it and hold onto it but no one ever picked it up so instead he calls Steve Bannon who calls Guiliani who picks it up and calls Hannity's old producer to write a story that they need to get published without verification which even Fox News won't do despite everyone being on a first name basis with the hacks who work there so they'll go to the New York Post who'll run it but even their writers won't put their names on the byline and that will surely make it all airtight and convincing and then and then and then

And then his supervisor would come over.
He would pull up a chair, one of those old school, gray-painted ones with a thick metal frame and rolling wheels that squeal like nails on a chalkboard.

He would look the analyst in the eyes, and softly say Comrade. Comrade Badenov. You are an excellent analyst. You have been pushing yourself too hard. I think you need a few days off. Go home. Come back when you are rested and dry.
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Or it was a beginner's first effort by the young work-experience tovarich that accidentally got loose in the wild.
 
Or maybe it's a meta disinformation scheme - designed to resemble disinformation schemes, only to raise doubts that it's a disinformation scheme, except it really is a disinformation scheme and being stupid enough to be real is part of the disinformation.
 
xjx388 said:
Not quite the same. It’s surely sordid, but it wasn’t quite gossipy. There was an actual thing called the Steele Dossier that detailed sordid activities. Stormy Daniels wrote a book that they may have covered.
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That doesn't make it not gossipy.
 
shuttlt said:
That's fine for somebody who is adamant about that perspective. There are clearly people who are less certain though, and this might be important in their decision making.
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Well of course :rolleyes: . As we know it always seems harder for a Democrat to get out of a scandal than a Republican. Democrats on average need to work harder than Republicans for electoral success on top of PR.
 
TahiniBinShawarma said:
"Major Garrett
@MajorCBS
Via @ClareHymes22
@CBSNews

The FBI & DOJ concur with DNI Ratcliffe’s assessment that Hunter Biden's laptop and the emails in question were not part of a Russian disinformation campaign. FBI does has possession of the Hunter Biden laptop in question.

@DNI_Ratcliffe

@FBI"

vi·a traveling through (a place) en route to a destination. by way of; through. by means of.
Nothing about FoxNews
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Maybe Borat provided the laptop to Rudy?
 
I just remember how Trump told us how the truth was coming out any day now about Obama's birth certificate. He had sent a special investigator to Hawaii who had discovered explosive information! Then there's how they have all this HUGE evidence of the greatest political crime in US history like we've never seen of Obama spying on his campaign that.....went nowhere. Then there was all this evidence of Hillary's crimes through the years that ...well you get the idea. We're always going to all this evidence of some huge crime that just never seems to go anywhere. Same song, different tune.
 
Ziggurat said:
It's relevant to the question of what state of mind would be required to drop off a laptop at a repair shop and never come back to pick it up.

But meth vs. crack/cocaine probably doesn't matter. He has admitted to the latter, he may or may not have done the former.
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This is a complete stab-in-the-dark guess:

The laptop really did belong to Hunter Biden, but he did not drop it off at any repair shop. Rather it was stolen from him, and, as others have suggested, now contains a mixture of his emails and files and forgeries from Russian intelligence. The whole repair shop story just doesn't pass a laugh test at all.
 
CORed said:
This is a complete stab-in-the-dark guess:

The laptop really did belong to Hunter Biden, but he did not drop it off at any repair shop. Rather it was stolen from him, and, as others have suggested, now contains a mixture of his emails and files and forgeries from Russian intelligence. The whole repair shop story just doesn't pass a laugh test at all.
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Yeah no.

Why make up a convoluted story about a laptop that either doesn't exist or has absolutely no connection to Hunter Biden?
 
CORed said:
This is a complete stab-in-the-dark guess:

The laptop really did belong to Hunter Biden, but he did not drop it off at any repair shop. Rather it was stolen from him, and, as others have suggested, now contains a mixture of his emails and files and forgeries from Russian intelligence. The whole repair shop story just doesn't pass a laugh test at all.
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Meh. I think it is Hunter's Macbook. And he did drop it off at the repair shop in Delaware. However, he gave the Macbook HD contents to someone* back in Dec. 2019 according to this article from Heavy (last updated Oct. 15 2020).

He (Mac Isaac) was tracked down by reporters after he gave The Post a copy of what he claims was a subpoena to appear in federal court in December 2019 for a grand jury hearing related to the MacBook...
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https://heavy.com/news/john-paul-mac-isaac/

Therefore, it has already been checked out and nothing incriminating has been found. Giuliani is just trying to become a player again.

*insert Government agency here.

ETA: And Mac Isaac doesn't look blind in any of his pictures.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Yeah no.

Why make up a convoluted story about a laptop that either doesn't exist or has absolutely no connection to Hunter Biden?
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I think both things can be true - the laptop is connected to Hunter and there is something dodgy about the computer shop guy's story.

ETA: As far as I can tell, a grand jury subpoena does not necessarily mean that it was issued by a grand jury.

From law.com:
Federal grand jury subpoenas, which are written orders compelling an individual or company to provide information, are issued at the direction of prosecutors as a part of criminal investigations
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Minoosh said:
I think both things can be true - the laptop is connected to Hunter and there is something dodgy about the computer shop guy's story.
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Where is a single shred of evidence there was ever a Hunter Biden laptop involved in this at all ?????????
Look how insidious this purely fabricated propaganda** injected into the social media stream becomes fact or partial fact.

**Because we have no evidence whatsoever that it is not fabricated.
 
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