Bill Barr and his October Surprise

Skeptic Ginger said:
By George, I think you're on to something.

You do know you are wasting your time, right?

Look over in the "Trump's Taxes" thread for the real Oct surprise. The NYT scooped Giulani's surprise with a new revelation as they promised. Bwahahahahaha.
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Yeah. Aren't we all? :D
 
shuttlt said:
What's the objection to true facts here? JoeMorgue was repeating claims that there was no reason for him to fly all the way across the country to drop the laptop off at a random repair shop. I am correcting him, that it is the repair shop local to Hunter's dad.
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"But admit this one small detail in a casual comment you made in passing is wrong while I ignore absolutely everything else!"
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Look over in the "Trump's Taxes" thread for the real Oct surprise. The NYT scooped Giulani's surprise with a new revelation as they promised. Bwahahahahaha.
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I doubt it has anything to compete with Hunter complaining to Joe that his sister in law/ex-lover has complained to his therapist that he has been sexually inappropriate with his 14 year old niece. It's like Jerry Springer. If you can make one of Trump's businesses opening a bank account in China when he was doing business in China as interesting the Biden story, good luck to you.
 
Babbylonian said:
AGAIN, warnings about Giuliani went out. We are also not privy to either the details of the FBI investigation or the extent of information passed on from the FBI to other government agencies.
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This is a non sequitur. I haven't claimed that the investigation is or isn't at any stage. Either it is the case that they have checked up on the origins of the laptop, in which case the FBI know whether Hunter Biden dropped it off or they haven't, which if the claims about them thinking it was part of a Russian disinformation effort, would be a bit shocking.

Babbylonian said:
As far as keeping the information secret, why wouldn't they? If the evidence was planted to screw with the election, releasing or even commenting on it would affect the election. It's possible that those currently in charge of the FBI have no interest in being Comey 2020.
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OK. So the idea here is that the FBI find out that there is a plot to use this laptop to interfere with the election. The laptop is then used to interfere with the election. The FBI then pass no comment for fear of interfering with the election. They are running this like Jean-Luc Picard on an away mission afraid of violating the Prime Directive. I have a hard time believing they would behave in this way if the emails/photographs had been faked by the Russians. If it's all genuine, maybe.
 
Ziggurat said:
I love to see the double standard here compared to coverage of the fraudulent Steele report.
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What fraudulent Steele report would that be? The only one I know of by Steele was the one largely corroborated by the Mueller probe (even though Mueller whitewashed that fact as hard as he could, it still came out dirty).
 
shuttlt said:
I doubt it has anything to compete with Hunter complaining to Joe that his sister in law/ex-lover has complained to his therapist that he has been sexually inappropriate with his 14 year old niece. It's like Jerry Springer. If you can make one of Trump's businesses opening a bank account in China when he was doing business in China as interesting the Biden story, good luck to you.
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Well, yeah. The NYT isn't really into sordid gossip-mongering.
 
shuttlt said:
I doubt it has anything to compete with Hunter complaining to Joe that his sister in law/ex-lover has complained to his therapist that he has been sexually inappropriate with his 14 year old niece. It's like Jerry Springer. If you can make one of Trump's businesses opening a bank account in China when he was doing business in China as interesting the Biden story, good luck to you.
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Oh my word, you so didn't look. :sdl:
 
It's a smear job. And like conspiracy theories and pseudo-science and religion and... well pretty much every other form of "wrong" it's operating on "Well I haven't been proven wrong" logic.
 
shuttlt said:
I doubt it has anything to compete with Hunter complaining to Joe that his sister in law/ex-lover has complained to his therapist that he has been sexually inappropriate with his 14 year old niece. It's like Jerry Springer. If you can make one of Trump's businesses opening a bank account in China when he was doing business in China as interesting the Biden story, good luck to you.
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Which is exactly why the Russians would create a misinformation scandal story exactly like this. They ain't stoopid. They know what appeals to the voter who reads grocery store tabloids, watches Fox, and attends Trump rallies.

This is Trump's last ditch desperate Hail Mary. The GOP Senate investigation found no wrongdoing on Biden's part. The Durham report isn't coming out before the election to 'save' him. So who's he gonna call? Giuliani! :jaw-dropp
 
Yeah there's a reason every other made up conspiracy theory smear jobs aimed at Democrats involved "Sex" and/or "Those new fangled computer things."
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
What fraudulent Steele report would that be? The only one I know of by Steele was the one largely corroborated by the Mueller probe (even though Mueller whitewashed that fact as hard as he could, it still came out dirty).
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You might want to tell Steele LOL https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ebunked-claim-about-russian-collusion-in-2016

"British ex-spy Christopher Steele testified he met with Democratic lawyers during the 2016 presidential election, and one provided him with now-debunked claims about alleged Trump-Russia collusion as he compiled his dossier."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulro...ier-is-false-news-and-heres-why/#5937e9b36867
 
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Gulliver Foyle said:
What fraudulent Steele report would that be? The only one I know of by Steele was the one largely corroborated by the Mueller probe (even though Mueller whitewashed that fact as hard as he could, it still came out dirty).
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No. Nothing of interest from the Steele report could be corroborated.
 
shuttlt said:
Do we actually know what the reality was? As far as I'm aware of the facts, Hunter was getting paid at least $50k per month by the Ukrainian company (Burisma) without having anything obvious to offer them other than the connection to his father who was handling the allocation of aid to Ukraine. The Ukrainian prosecutor Shokin was investigating Burisma. There were claims that Shokin was corrupt amid complaints that he wasn't making progress on the investigation of Burisma. Biden threatened to withhold aid unless Shokin was fired. Shokin was forced out in Feb 2016. The case against Bursima was dropped in 2017. In 2018 the decision to annul the case was overruled and the oligarch behind Burisma fled the country. Trump was then impeached over the phone call pushing Ukraine to investigate this.

Biden was accused of having a conflict of interest as his decisions directly benefitted the company that was paying his son $50k a month for no readily discernible reason. Biden claimed that there was no conflict because he never talked to his son about his overseas business. If these emails pan out, then we see in fact his son was connecting people within Burisma to Joe Biden, undermining Joe Biden's claims a bit.

I don't think it is exactly proved that Biden was doing anything corrupt here, but I don't understand your certainty that he wasn't.
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Correction, Shokin was not investigating Burisma, despite their being an open criminal file (and plenty of evidence) on both the company and its owner Mykola Zlochevsky. Largely at the prompting of the UK authorities, the EU, US and IMF started pressuring him to investigate and when that didn't work pressured the Ukrainian government to fire him which eventually did work.

Hunter Biden walked into the situation like an idiot, but despite the fact that any serious investigation of Burisma would look bad for Hunter, and possibly land him in hot water, his father Joe as VP was the strongest backer in the US of the efforts to get the investigation going properly.

Sacking Shokin made it more likely, not less, that Hunter Biden would land in legal trouble, thus tarnishing his father's political reputation. If Joe Biden were corrupt he'd have pushed hard against any attempts to sack Shokin.
 
TahiniBinShawarma said:
You might want to tell Steele LOL https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ebunked-claim-about-russian-collusion-in-2016

"British ex-spy Christopher Steele testified he met with Democratic lawyers during the 2016 presidential election, and one provided him with now-debunked claims about alleged Trump-Russia collusion as he compiled his dossier."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulro...ier-is-false-news-and-heres-why/#5937e9b36867
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How does that make the report fraudulent?
 
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