Bill Barr and his October Surprise

[Babbylonian]

Do you just believe things because you're told? Or would you like to see evidence?

I think you know what you can do with your disingenuous questions.

To be clear, you can go to the above links, read them, maybe click through the references, and generally educate yourself.

 

[TahiniBinShawarma]

Oh really.

Well I have a shoe box in my closet that could implicate you in the Black Dahlia murders.

We're a lot of proven facts down the ladder from "Joe Biden did anything."

But yes I know let's argue about the bottle that Hunter Biden didn't beat a hooker to death was champagne or sparkling whine (pun intended.)

"Hunter Biden isn't running for President."

And as I said, if the emails implicate Joe Biden it does matter. I understand your panties are in a bunch over the prospect.

 

[TahiniBinShawarma]

I think you know what you can do with your disingenuous questions.

To be clear, you can go to the above links, read them, maybe click through the references, and generally educate yourself.

Nothing in there about Biden's emails, perhaps you could point it out to me.

 

[shuttlt]

Like they did last time?

If the FBI had known Clinton's servers had been hacked for a year, and had copies of the hacked data, and sat on it, leaving Clinton to be surprised by it at the last minute, I would find that shocking too.

 

[Babbylonian]

Nothing in there about Biden's emails, perhaps you could point it out to me.

Then you didn't read the links.

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[shuttlt]

We need the FBI to inform us about Russian election interference about as much as we need them to inform us that water is wet.

It would probably be a good idea if they acted to prevent, or at least minimize the impact of this kind of thing. Were I an entirely innocent and blameless Joe Biden, and found that the FBI had quietly allowed this landmine to sit out there in my path for 10 months only to go off now, I might feel a little bit aggrieved. Were I Trump, blameless or otherwise, and the FBI had sat on this potentially exculpatory evidence during my impeachment, I might similarly feel a little aggrieved.

Is the FBIs job to defend the country, or to silently document attacks so that afterwards they can tell us how they happened?

 

[Minoosh]

The FBI had better come out with some details soon, or in your scenario, they will have known about a Russian plan to influence the election a year out and silently let it run its course.

It’s not happening silently. There has been a well-publicized, bipartisan effort to warn the U.S. of an ongoing threat. Meanwhile, Trump supporters haven’t wanted to hear it and Trump has been doing all he can to discredit career investigators and prosecutors.

Surely you must know that the FBI does not routinely make announcements of ongoing investigations.

While Trump’s faithful minions have spread the mantra of “no collusion,” what is sometimes overlooked is that no one really disputes that Russians collude with other Russians to influence elections. Of course Trump’s boast itself was dishonest, but his base likes being lied to.

 

[Mader Levap]

Who... the... ****... cares?

Goal of this operation is to smear candidate for president by association. This is also why certain people here on thread use Biden surname when talking abut Hunter.

 

[Minoosh]

Is the FBIs job to defend the country, or to silently document attacks so that afterwards they can tell us how they happened?

It’s their job to investigate. There’s kind of a hint in the name.

 

[Minoosh]

I love how Hunter is depicted both as an utterly unreliable crackhead pedophile *and* a highly credible reporter of his dad’s alleged corruption.

 

[shuttlt]

It’s not happening silently. There has been a well-publicized, bipartisan effort to warn the U.S. of an ongoing threat. Meanwhile, Trump supporters haven’t wanted to hear it and Trump has been doing all he can to discredit career investigators and prosecutors.

Surely you must know that the FBI does not routinely make announcements of ongoing investigations.

While Trump’s faithful minions have spread the mantra of “no collusion,” what is sometimes overlooked is that no one really disputes that Russians collude with other Russians to influence elections. Of course Trump’s boast itself was dishonest, but his base likes being lied to.

They very clearly brief people about ongoing investigations. They briefed Trump and Obama about the Steele dossier while that was an ongoing investigation. We've been hearing about them briefing Obama about Flynn before that became an active investigation.

The way we are talking about this, it's like one of those nature documentaries where some innocent baby gazelle is about to be killed by a pack of hyenas and the film crew do nothing because they have vowed not to interfere in the natural order. I don't believe the FBI takes that same approach with foreign election interference.

 

[Babbylonian]

They very clearly brief people about ongoing investigations. They briefed Trump and Obama about the Steele dossier while that was an ongoing investigation. We've been hearing about them briefing Obama about Flynn before that became an active investigation.

And Trump was briefed specifically that his buddy Giuliani was being targeted by the Russians to spread misinformation. What ******* good did that do?

Again, this is information that has spread far and wide, including being discussed in this very thread. How have you not been exposed to it?

 

[shuttlt]

It’s their job to investigate. There’s kind of a hint in the name.

In that case, a new federal agency needs to be set up to protect and defend the United States against terrorist and foreign intelligence threats.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Actually it's not funny at all. In case you missed it. The "Russian collusion" investigation was filled with leaks from anonymous sources that didn't pan out. Which only showed that leaks and "anonymous" sources speak to "reputable" news sources to push an agenda.

The repair shop owner's name is John Paul Mac Isaac, not sure why you think "single repair shop guy at his word, despite him also being unnamed " because that is clearly wrong.

We have 50 former intel and military people coming out on the "Russian disinformation" side. All these ex officials were in charge when Biden was doing his shady deals, and many have known ties to Chinese money, gov't, and orgs. I wouldn't take their word for it, they have no more information than you or I. They don't want to disrupt the gravy train. It's in their interest to push this line given much of the purported info in the emails is China related.

Once again ignoring inconvenient facts in order to push a favourite conspiracy theory.

Well, no matter. I wasn't trying to initiate conversation with you, as I already know that that's pointless. I just thought it might have value for others to point out one particular brand of your hypocrisy.

 

[TahiniBinShawarma]

Once again ignoring inconvenient facts in order to push a favourite conspiracy theory.

Well, no matter. I wasn't trying to initiate conversation with you, as I already know that that's pointless. I just thought it might have value for others to point out one particular brand of your hypocrisy.

Point out the "conspiracy theory" part and the "hypocracy", or run with your tail between your legs.

 

[Minoosh]

You asking to prove a negative is rich.

I thought so too.

Although that's all you have because evidence he is involved is non existant otherwise youd post it.

My not having the evidence does not mean no evidence exists.

 

[shuttlt]

And Trump was briefed specifically that his buddy Giuliani was being targeted by the Russians to spread misinformation. What ******* good did that do?

Sure, but they then apparently decided not to tell him about this actual attempt. If I know specifically that your neighbour is a homicidal maniac, has found the spare key to your house and has been muttering about killing you.... giving you a generalized warning that there are a lot of dangerous people about and your wife shouldn't leave the key under the mat is wilfully non-specific.

Again, this is information that has spread far and wide, including being discussed in this very thread. How have you not been exposed to it?

The information about the laptop had not been spread far and wide. At the moment it seems like the FBI knew about it for 10 months and allowed it to develop into a trap for either Biden or Trump.

 

[Minoosh]

In that case, a new federal agency needs to be set up to protect and defend the United States against terrorist and foreign intelligence threats.

The evidence exists. It's just that the current president not only ignores it, he does his best to discredit it if it implicates any of his dictator buddies.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

They very clearly brief people about ongoing investigations. They briefed Trump and Obama about the Steele dossier while that was an ongoing investigation. We've been hearing about them briefing Obama about Flynn before that became an active investigation.

The way we are talking about this, it's like one of those nature documentaries where some innocent baby gazelle is about to be killed by a pack of hyenas and the film crew do nothing because they have vowed not to interfere in the natural order. I don't believe the FBI takes that same approach with foreign election interference.

Actually, it's been reported that Trump's aggression on hearing negative reports on Russia led to him being verbally briefed less and less on intelligence matters related to Russia. The material was still included in the written briefings, but it's long been reported that he doesn't have the attention span to actually read those.

So, yeah, when it comes to any piece of information about Russia it's entirely credible that Trump hasn't been informed of it.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Point out the "conspiracy theory" part and the "hypocracy", or run with your tail between your legs.

As I've said, my intention isn't to engage with you. I have no interest in your games.