agnostic: what is there to believe?

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i think i am an agnostic. i do not like to confine my self...
but if i have to put my self in a definition between, atheist, agnostic, and religious.

i just read through a hread about those definitions...

aren't we one hec of a confused beings!

it is all because of the 'law of three'. i dont mean it only in christian sense.
anyway...

religiouse people put far too much emphasis on "belief".
it is sooooo special because "i" believe what can not be seen. since normal or evil influenced people cannot believe in what they can not see. what a load of crock.

the problem is that this 'belief' thing blinds them as well...

whats the big deal about believing in something they cannotsee? scientists do it all the time!

they make a hypothesis, experiments then finds conclusion.

it is just that with religion conclusion is what happens after you die, pass on from this life, etc

Do you believe that there is a mountain called everest?
and do you believe that people and animals live near by that mountain? i am sure that you have heard stories about he mountain. you may even have seen pictures about it. if you havent been to that mountain is it so hard to believe that mountain exist? just from books and stories? you may never go there to see it with your own eyes. but some how you know that it exist.
so whats the big deal!!!

you've never seen it with your own eye but you still believe its existance.
use an example of something you nevr saw but yu know exist. if you did go to mount everest.

why am i writing this? because too many bloody religiouse people just believe. and the worst thing is...

a belief is all that matters.. sure they preach morals and ethics and stuff... but they do not live it. It doesn't matter... because they will be forgiven. as long as they believe, they will go to a WONDERFUL place.

and we are somehow conditioned to think.. they are very very religious, so they will not do bad things...

life might be a one big test. but please.. dont push 'your beliefs'

just show what you do. with clarity and without hidden agenda.

i think that is what we all ask of each other.

and yes 'we' are not perfect and make 'mistakes'
but believe me.. most of 'we' are very understanding about 'our' imperfection. and you dont even have to be religious.

because.. we all know what hurts.

what is 'belief'? what does it mean anyway?
 
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why am i writing this? because too many bloody religiouse people just believe. and the worst thing is...

a belief is all that matters.. sure they preach morals and ethics and stuff... but they do not live it. It doesn't matter... because they will be forgiven. as long as they believe, they will go to a WONDERFUL place.

and we are somehow conditioned to think.. they are very very religious, so they will not do bad things...

life might be a one big test. but please.. dont push 'your beliefs'

just show what you do. with clarity and without hidden agenda.

i think that is what we all ask of each other.
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these sort of judgements are bad enough without the generalisation included.
 
Believe it or Not

Believe it or not, huh? ... ;) Is this not the criteria for all human understanding? It's just that some things are more believable than others, and this is what we try to base our "knowledge" upon. Of course nothing beats the genuine experience, like the genuine experience of being alive. In fact, we wouldn't know anything if this wasn't the case.
 
Are you suggesting that we can know of anything with 100% certainty? And, while I think we may be able to approach that possibility, by virtue of the fact that we are capable of knowing anything at all, everything which proceeds from that is merely relative, and therefore a matter of belief.
 
I think most of us believe in Mt. Everest being there.

Or of Abraham Lincoln being the 16th president.

Or that our flag is on the moon.


But taking that leap of faith over to Jesus is far bigger as..well, it's farther back in time. There are fewer records that corroberate just who he was exactly and what he actually did. And then there is the issue of the authors and when they wrote about him. There could be an issue as to why Jesus didn't record his own stuff at the time. The whole Christian faith revolves around Jesus. (not just around a God)

Now taking that other leap of faith and believing if *a* God of some sort exists is not quite as big of a leap, I don't think. Believing in some form of God, is more abstract in the sense of what the actual definition of this God is, for one thing. One could go so far as to proclaim God as being the acting force of energy. While others believe that it was God who not IS the energy, but created the energy, and possesses a human attribute in the ability to design and create....to think.

Believing in a force is not too hard. Believing that everything was blueprinted by some sort of supreme intelligence is another degree of faith. And believing that some man came to earth via a virgin birth who was able to perform miracles, yet wrote nothing himself, and only had biased witnesses writing about his ressurection and ascention is quite another step in faith.
 
Anti_Hypeman said:
I think you are Sparticus
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I think therefore I am coz it's all about me.

10001 - you might like to try www.skepdic.com and look up agnostic if you haven't already. Just for the record, I'm not the fideist type as currently mentioned. You might like to follow the link at the bottom of that webpage to atheist.
 
10001 said:
Do you believe that there is a mountain called everest?
and do you believe that people and animals live near by that mountain? i am sure that you have heard stories about he mountain. you may even have seen pictures about it. if you havent been to that mountain is it so hard to believe that mountain exist? just from books and stories? you may never go there to see it with your own eyes. but some how you know that it exist.
so whats the big deal!!!

you've never seen it with your own eye but you still believe its existance.
use an example of something you nevr saw but yu know exist. if you did go to mount everest.
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Mt. Everest is easier to believe in than God for a number of reasons:

1) It doesn't contradict the laws of nature.

2) It's existance is falsifiable. The existance of God is not.

3) I've seen mountains before. Mt. Everest is just an exceptionally tall one.

4) Faking the existance of Mt. Everest would require a massive conspiracy.

5) I've seen photographs and video footage of the mountain. (Granted, they could be faked but that would just make the conspiracy even more impossible)

Considering these factors, the probability of Mt. Everest existing is nearly 100%.
 
I thought there was a forum rule, the Pauli Exclusion Principle, stating that Iamme and Iacchus can't participate the same thread.
 
Iamme said:
Now taking that other leap of faith and believing if *a* God of some sort exists is not quite as big of a leap, I don't think. Believing in some form of God, is more abstract in the sense of what the actual definition of this God is, for one thing. One could go so far as to proclaim God as being the acting force of energy. While others believe that it was God who not IS the energy, but created the energy, and possesses a human attribute in the ability to design and create....to think.
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I would disagree with this, that beliving in something godlike up there, while acknowledging ignorance of its nature, is just as big a leap.

For someone who is that sort of agnostic, what is your answer to the following honest question: We see no evidence of unicorns, so refuse to believe.

Is it just some sort of increduility at the grandness of existence, that there must be something more?
 
i would like to believe

something so GRAND...

so un imaginably.. good?

would not anyone like to believe that there is a such a being? and maybe there are...

but...

if he/she/it? did exist...

i am very sure he/she/it will understand...

i just dont like religious people.

most of them just 'believes'
and forget all the good teachings their mentor left behind...

all people are alike... religious or not...

just that religious people seem to have the right to do bad things.
and all the others.. just go to hell.. not matter what
 
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