Bill Barr and his October Surprise

Let’s see:

Under intense pressure by Trump Giuliani has been searching for years to get something on Biden. There is USA counter intelligence evidence that the Russians have been feeding him disinformation to do do.

Giuliani gets a phone call from an obscure computer repair store. He buys into the bizarre story and shops it to the Post because he felt more legitimate newspapers would find it to smelly to touch. He stated that in his opinion there is a 50/50 chance that it is Russian disinformation but that he doesn’t care.

The primary reporter in charge of it thought it was so questionable that he refused to put his name on it despite it would make him famous if true. Similarly many other members of the Post news staff found it highly questionable despite the Post being a primary source of attacks on Biden.

There is evidence the drive was manufactured after the alleged emails were installed on it.

The metadata similarly indicates the emails on it were written in Eastern Europe after the alleged dates Hunter supposedly wrote them.

The computer repair person says he couldn’t recognize the person dropping off the drives. But somehow later decided to scan the drive (remember he had no reason to suspect it had anything of interest on it) and contact Giuliani.


But sure, looks like a smoking gun to me.
 
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Why would a “millionaire drug addict” be dropping off a laptop at a rinky-dink repair shop? That part makes very little sense. People with money own or work for companies who have IT departments. If they want to do something below the radar, they have friends and connections who can help. Using some unknown shop in Delaware doesn’t fit.
 
Not only do I wonder why Hunter would drop off an external hard drive across the country from where he lives but that he would bother to have an external backup drive repaired at all. They cost a few hundred bucks to buy a new one. If data extraction was his primary goal it makes no sense that he would not go back to get the data.
 
xjx388 said:
Why would a “millionaire drug addict” be dropping off a laptop at a rinky-dink repair shop? That part makes very little sense. People with money own or work for companies who have IT departments. If they want to do something below the radar, they have friends and connections who can help. Using some unknown shop in Delaware doesn’t fit.
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Exactly!
 
xjx388 said:
Why would a “millionaire drug addict” be dropping off a laptop at a rinky-dink repair shop? That part makes very little sense. People with money own or work for companies who have IT departments. If they want to do something below the radar, they have friends and connections who can help. Using some unknown shop in Delaware doesn’t fit.
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What's so important on the hard drives that he'd even bother getting them repaired? Much less getting 3 of them repaired.

I have a bunch of abandoned laptops. Laptops die and you get a new one. And I'm not a millionaire
 
TahiniBinShawarma said:
Hunter Biden has an admitted history of drug abuse. That you chose to challenge that fact isn't going to work out well for you. You spoke as though you were an expert. He clearly fell asleep with a DOPE pipe in his mouth. How's that?
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How bleakly amusing. My "expertise" is based on readily available reporting.
 
I love all the "why" questions as to why a (insert "crack" or "meth") addict would.............

as if the actions of a (insert "crack" or "meth") addict is in any way rational, cognizant, or explainable.
 
Giordano said:
Let’s see:

Under intense pressure by Trump Giuliani has been searching for years to get something on Biden. There is USA counter intelligence evidence that the Russians have been feeding him disinformation to do do.

Giuliani finally (surprise) gets a phone call from an obscure computer repair shop in the middle of nowhere.

Giuliani buys into the bizarre story and shops it to the Post because he felt more legitimate newspapers would find it too smelly to touch. He stated that in his opinion there is a 50/50 chance that it is Russian disinformation but that he doesn’t care.

The primary reporter in charge of it thought it was so questionable that he refused to put his name on it despite it might make him famous if true. Similarly many other members of the Post news staff found it highly questionable despite the Post being well funded for its attacks on Biden.

There is evidence the drive was manufactured after the alleged emails were installed on it.

The metadata similarly indicates the emails on it were written in Eastern Europe after the alleged dates Hunter supposedly wrote them.

The computer repair person says he couldn’t recognize the person dropping off the drives. But somehow later decided to scan the drive (remember he had no reason to suspect it had anything of interest on it) and contacts Giuliani.


But sure, looks like a smoking gun to me.
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You are either lying or misinformed with some of this.
 
Silly Green Monkey said:
Like what?
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I'll eventually get to more but for starters he says

"Giuliani buys into the bizarre story and shops it to the Post because he felt more legitimate newspapers would find it too smelly to touch. He stated that in his opinion there is a 50/50 chance that it is Russian disinformation but that he doesn’t care."

Complete fabrication and conflating

"Sure, the U.S. Treasury Department may have declared one of his former associates—Ukrainian parliamentarian Andrii Derkach, who worked with Giuliani on his hunt for dirt on the Bidens—to be an “active Russian agent.” But that’s some Deep State talk, he added. “The chance that Derkach is a Russian spy is no better than 50/50.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/rudy-...rked-with-a-russian-spy-to-dig-dirt-on-bidens

So, as we can see, Giuliani was referring to whether Andrii Derkach was an "active Russian agent." Not on whether the emails were Russian disinformation. To that, Giuliani says B.S.

There is a lot to unpack in that post.

1. "The metadata similarly indicates the emails on it were written in Eastern Europe after the alleged dates Hunter supposedly wrote them."

Can I get a cite for this claim? As I understand it, the emails haven't been released, so how can anyone ascertain any metadata?

2. "There is evidence the drive was manufactured after the alleged emails were installed on it."

Can I get a cite for this claim?

3."The computer repair person says he couldn’t recognize the person dropping off the drives. But somehow later decided to scan the drive (remember he had no reason to suspect it had anything of interest on it) and contacts Giuliani."

Let's see what he actually said.

"Isaac said the man who he believes to be Hunter Biden dropped off three laptops at his store in April 2019, only one of which was salvageable. While repairing the laptop, Isaac said he discovered disturbing material."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-emails-computer-repair-store-owner-john-paul-mac-isaac

4. "Giuliani finally (surprise) gets a phone call from an obscure computer repair shop in the middle of nowhere."

Now, what the repair man says happened,

"In September, he contacted an intermediary about the emails. The intermediary then contacted the FBI.
Isaac said the intermediary is an American citizen who he has known for decades, but declined to provide further details about their identity."

and

"According to Isaac’s account, the FBI first made a forensic copy of the laptop, then returned weeks later with a subpoena and confiscated it. When he stopped hearing from the FBI, Isaac said he contacted several members of Congress, who did not respond. At that point, his intermediary reached out to Rudy Giuliani’s attorney, Robert Costello."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-emails-computer-repair-store-owner-john-paul-mac-isaac

I think that's enough to either get some cites from Giordano to back up his claims, or come to the conclusion he isn't interested in what actually happened and is just throwing the proverbial doo doo at the wall hoping something will stick.
 
TahiniBinShawarma said:
I'll eventually get to more but for starters he says

"Giuliani buys into the bizarre story and shops it to the Post because he felt more legitimate newspapers would find it too smelly to touch. He stated that in his opinion there is a 50/50 chance that it is Russian disinformation but that he doesn’t care."

Complete fabrication and conflating

"Sure, the U.S. Treasury Department may have declared one of his former associates—Ukrainian parliamentarian Andrii Derkach, who worked with Giuliani on his hunt for dirt on the Bidens—to be an “active Russian agent.” But that’s some Deep State talk, he added. “The chance that Derkach is a Russian spy is no better than 50/50.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/rudy-...rked-with-a-russian-spy-to-dig-dirt-on-bidens

So, as we can see, Giuliani was referring to whether Andrii Derkach was an "active Russian agent." Not on whether the emails were Russian disinformation. To that, Giuliani says B.S.

There is a lot to unpack in that post.

1. "The metadata similarly indicates the emails on it were written in Eastern Europe after the alleged dates Hunter supposedly wrote them."

Can I get a cite for this claim? As I understand it, the emails haven't been released, so how can anyone ascertain any metadata?

2. "There is evidence the drive was manufactured after the alleged emails were installed on it."

Can I get a cite for this claim?

3."The computer repair person says he couldn’t recognize the person dropping off the drives. But somehow later decided to scan the drive (remember he had no reason to suspect it had anything of interest on it) and contacts Giuliani."

Let's see what he actually said.

"Isaac said the man who he believes to be Hunter Biden dropped off three laptops at his store in April 2019, only one of which was salvageable. While repairing the laptop, Isaac said he discovered disturbing material."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-emails-computer-repair-store-owner-john-paul-mac-isaac

4. "Giuliani finally (surprise) gets a phone call from an obscure computer repair shop in the middle of nowhere."

Now, what the repair man says happened,

"In September, he contacted an intermediary about the emails. The intermediary then contacted the FBI.
Isaac said the intermediary is an American citizen who he has known for decades, but declined to provide further details about their identity."

and

"According to Isaac’s account, the FBI first made a forensic copy of the laptop, then returned weeks later with a subpoena and confiscated it. When he stopped hearing from the FBI, Isaac said he contacted several members of Congress, who did not respond. At that point, his intermediary reached out to Rudy Giuliani’s attorney, Robert Costello."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-emails-computer-repair-store-owner-john-paul-mac-isaac

I think that's enough to either get some cites from Giordano to back up his claims, or come to the conclusion he isn't interested in what actually happened and is just throwing the proverbial doo doo at the wall hoping something will stick.
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So you haven’t been keeping up with the thread or the external links I and others have been citing it it. That explains a lot.

Just look upthread. I will not be duplicating the information I’ve already documented.

BTW I love your spin.. Giuliani didn’t state that chances were 50/50 that this was a Russian disinformation campaign, just that chances were 50/50 that Derkach, the person who worked with him for all this time to obtain all these anti- Biden smears, was an Russian agent. Oh, that changes everything! Perhaps they were just playing chess. And the Counterpro warnings that Giuliani was a pawn being fed Russian disinformation, was just another example of the evil deep state. I didn’t bother to mention the FBI’s role because they are apparently investigating this as possible Russian interference, not an argument in your favor.
 
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Giordano said:
So you haven’t been keeping up with the thread or the external links I and others have been citing it it. That explains a lot.

Just look upthread. I will not be duplicating the information I’ve already documented.

BTW I love your spin.. Giuliani didn’t state that chances were 50/50 that this was a Russian disinformation campaign, just that chances were 50/50 that Derkach, the person who worked with him for all this time to obtain all these anti- Biden smears, was an Russian agent. Oh, that changes everything! Perhaps they were just playing chess. And the Counterpronnwarnings that Giuliani was a pawn being fed Russian disinformation, was just another example of the evil deep state.
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You obviously have no answer. There are no cites which back up your claims. And still lying about the 50/50 even after being provided cites. You aren't serious, and will be treated as such.
 
xjx388 said:
Why would a “millionaire drug addict” be dropping off a laptop at a rinky-dink repair shop? That part makes very little sense. People with money own or work for companies who have IT departments. If they want to do something below the radar, they have friends and connections who can help. Using some unknown shop in Delaware doesn’t fit.
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Hunter isn't known for making smart life decisions.
 
TahiniBinShawarma said:
You obviously have no answer. There are no cites which back up your claims. And still lying about the 50/50 even after being provided cites. You aren't serious, and will be treated as such.
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Here’s one:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276

Here is another:
https://www.businessinsider.com/giuliani-said-theres-a-chance-he-worked-with-russian-spy-2020-10

I am not going to cite each Point I made because as I stated the citations are all upthread.
 
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