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2020 Presidential Election

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Right. It applies to exit polls, or to pre-election polls. The sample that you take has to be representative of the actual population. Picking any old 1,000 voters at random is not likely to match the actual electorate, so you'll have a biased sample if you do that. In years past, that meant pollsters would pick a certain number from certain precincts, based on previous years' voting patterns, so that they can get a good estimate.

My previous, specific, post was about the problem of using only election day exit polls for your projections. In years past, that was a small problem, because only 1 or 2 percent of the people voted absentee.

This year, there's a huge number who will vote early or absentee. 25 million have already voted, and the election is still more than two weeks away. It's easily possible that more than 1/3 of the votes will be cast before election day. There has already been 25 million votes cast, compared to 135 million total votes cast in 2016.

Democrats really are more likely to vote absentee/early/insert your state's method for voting before election day here. So, if you only poll election day voters, as in a traditional exit poll, your sample skews Republican. The pollsters have to take that into account somehow, but to do so they need estimates of how to find the people who voted the different methods. It's a hard problem.

And what keeps me up at night, figuratively for now, but by November 2 perhaps literally, is that I know that more mistakes are made with absentee votes than in person votes, which means more ballots will be rejected this year, and that sample will skew Democratic, even without any Republican cheating.

The fact is that in the past Republicans were more likely to vote absentee. Nobody actually knows this time around given that Trump has poisoned the well on voting by mail...which absentee voting is.
 
How does that change the fact that they're Left leaning? The support of the Clinton campaign in 2016 and the paid speaking engagements prior to that certainly says much more. Now with the recent article once again during an election and once again supporting the views of the Democrat candidate as the best hope for our economy. You lost this one right out of the gate.

I love how supporting Clinton = left-leaning in this country. Clinton is about as centrist as you get, which was the Progressives main complaint about her.
 
The fact is that in the past Republicans were more likely to vote absentee. Nobody actually knows this time around given that Trump has poisoned the well on voting by mail...which absentee voting is.

Those professional posters know, or at least they have made a lot of effort to find out. That's their job.
 
Please explain whay a big Wall Street trading company would be Left Leaning.
I think what we are seeing is a Trump Supporter unleash his hatred against anybody who not a "Real American"....Real Americans being people who are White, Christian and who live in Rural America.And Goldman and Scahs fail on the last two points.....
Stil amused our Trump CUltiest post that quote from Trump and ignores Trump blatent appeal to White Supremacy.
 
BTW unless it is really close, Trump might legally challenge the election, but I don't think he will get very far.
 
Bob, you didn't open the link I provided in the last post. There are literally hundreds of cases (I haven't actually counted the #) of voter fraud listed. Please look at it this time and if you need a specific case cited of voter ID fraud, just pick one from the many in the link and we can discuss it at length.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/wh...wTeMdI73IljE5xLkOQAk_L31lnbIBmh9Jnn5CJDt9Esvk



Again I ask whom in the US does not have an ID? For that matter whom does not have a State or Federal Government issued ID? You even need an ID to have electricity here. Whom doesn't have electricity? Water?? Utilities?

Even if all the cases listed (1100 in the doc you linked, 1300 from the Heritage Foundation database) were from the 2016 election (which I doubt since the HF db goes back to 1979), it is still an insignificant number. 1300/128,000,000=0.00001015625, or a shade over 1/1000th of 1%.

I live in NJ, never had to show ID to get electricity, cable, gas, or water.
 
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Aye, there's the rub, and that is why it will be so difficult to project a winner on election night.

Unless of course it's a blowout. We can only hope.

I'm not so sure. As long as pollsters take a representative sample of voters according to where they live, they should stll be able to make a reliable predictive sample.
 
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Justin Clark
@chefjclark
HUGE WIN for voting rights in MICHIGAN for President @realDonaldTrump, the GOP & all Americans.

Ballot harvesting is ILLEGAL.

Ballots must be in by Nov 3. AKA Election Day

We are winning the fight for a FREE & FAIR election.
 
Trump Retweeted

Justin Clark
@chefjclark
HUGE WIN for voting rights in MICHIGAN for President @realDonaldTrump, the GOP & all Americans.

Ballot harvesting is ILLEGAL.
Ballots must be in by Nov 3. AKA Election Day

We are winning the fight for a FREE & FAIR election.

Except when the GOP harvests ballots in California.

I'm not sure what the strategy here is. Does Trump know overseas (military) ballots often come in later? And with early voting favoring Democrats, Trump seems to be barking up the wrong tree.
 
Even if all the cases listed (1100 in the doc you linked, 1300 from the Heritage Foundation database) were from the 2016 election (which I doubt since the HF db goes back to 1979), it is still an insignificant number. 1300/128,000,000=0.00001015625, or a shade over 1/1000th of 1%.

I live in NJ, never had to show ID to get electricity, cable, gas, or water.

Usually they just want a deposit. They know they can always cut you off if you don't pay up.
 

I can answer that question: because it's easier to con someone than convince them they've been conned. Oh....and because so many of them are just plain stupid. Just watch some of them being interviewed at Trump rallies. QAnon believers are a good example. Wearing a mask makes it hard for them to understand someone else. Wearing a mask traps carbon dioxide so you'll faint. Yeah, that's some dumb there.
 
I can answer that question: because it's easier to con someone than convince them they've been conned. Oh....and because so many of them are just plain stupid. Just watch some of them being interviewed at Trump rallies. QAnon believers are a good example. Wearing a mask makes it hard for them to understand someone else. Wearing a mask traps carbon dioxide so you'll faint. Yeah, that's some dumb there.

I have spent 20 years in sales. And I can say conclusively that this is right. It's folly to even try. They just dig in and this is true regardless how smart they might be. Half of the sales books warns you to tread lightly when trying to get customers to change from their current products or vendors. You have to let them come to the conclusion.
 
How many of those cases of alleged voter fraud would have been prevented by voter ID laws? That's the question here: How often do people try to vote in other people's names? Too tiny to count. And your link to 1100 cases doesn't include details. In particular, it doesn't include dates: 1100 cases during the last election? Or during the last 20 years? But the page does link to a larger database: the California page goes back to 1993. The Florida page goes back to 1992. How many votes have been cast in the U.S. since 1992?
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

In fact, the database allows you to search specifically for "impersonation fraud at polls." For the biggest states (I didn't check them all), the number of cases is zero.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?combine=&state=CA&year=&case_type=All&fraud_type=24493

And it's been explained repeatedly that as many as 11 percent of Americans do not have the specific, limited current state ID that voter ID laws require. And many of them are likely to have limited resources.

Bob, what you should have been searching for is "Ineligible Voting" instead of "Voter Impersonation at the Polls"
but it's no matter, the "Heritage" link site is missing quite a bit of data. You can check it yourself by searching specific cases from the Government link I provided to their specific state on the "Heritage" site. There are many forms of voter fraud that need to be addressed.

Now as I asked before, whom does not have an ID? Is there a specific population or group you have in mind? Please do tell. I bet you won't.
Personally I want everyone that is eligible to vote to do so. There really is no excuse not to. What I do not want is the possibility of anyone putting their thumb on the scales to sway an election one way or the other regardless of political party. Without safeguards there can be no fair elections.
 
I love it when a Trumper talks about how Trump 'gave' us the greatest economy ever. The fact is, he inherited a booming economy with an unemployment rate of less than 5% Obama, on the other hand, inherited the Great Recession from Bush and led us out. Jobs increased by more than 11.5 million and the median household income increased by 5.3%. Trump will be the first US president in history to leave office with fewer jobs than when he took office. Our national debt is out of control and has increased 36% under Trump. He has divided this country as no other political figure has in modern times, severely damaged our relationships with our traditional allies, made us a laughing stock in the eyes of the world, and caused thousands of unnecessary deaths from Covid 19. But I guess as long as you're getting gas cheap, what the hell, right?
 
I love it when a Trumper talks about how Trump 'gave' us the greatest economy ever. The fact is, he inherited a booming economy with an unemployment rate of less than 5% Obama, on the other hand, inherited the Great Recession from Bush and led us out. Jobs increased by more than 11.5 million and the median household income increased by 5.3%. Trump will be the first US president in history to leave office with fewer jobs than when he took office. Our national debt is out of control and has increased 36% under Trump. He has divided this country as no other political figure has in modern times, severely damaged our relationships with our traditional allies, made us a laughing stock in the eyes of the world, and caused thousands of unnecessary deaths from Covid 19. But I guess as long as you're getting gas cheap, what the hell, right?

Well said Stacy. And to add, gas prices has very little to do with who is President.
 
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