Bill Barr and his October Surprise

Squeegee Beckenheim said:
This is exactly it - you don't want to give it oxygen. Denials are never as impactful as scandal, regardless of whether or not the scandal is obviously fake, and by engaging with it all you're doing is providing the media the opportunity to run stories on your engagement.

Its the Streisand Effect, only moreso because FOX, OANN, Breitbart, etc. weren't specifically out to get Streisand, and that story wasn't deliberately seeded in order to be propagated in this manner.
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No. The Streisand Effect is where you try to keep something out of the public consciousness and your efforts to keep it out of the public consciousness get everybody interested in what you are trying to hide. Stating that something is false may have negative consequences, but it isn't the Streisand Effect.
 
TahiniBinShawarma said:
My point is that no evidence has been presented that it's Russian disinfo, and no name is attached to anyone with authority that it's Russian disinfo. This is Steel Dossier 101 stuff all over again.
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There's stronger evidence for it being Russian disinfo than there is for it being legitimate.

Exhibit A is the fact that it comes from Giuliani who hasn't exactly made a secret of the fact that he's spent much of the last year or so palling around with known and sanctioned active Russian intelligence agent Andrii Derkach, and that he was doing so in order to find dirt on Biden. And that's just one of Giuliani's ties to Russia.
 
Judging by what Giuliani himself is saying, there isn't much meat on the alleged Hunter Biden's hard drive. And absolutely nothing criminal attributed to Joe Biden.

It's CT territory, even Soros appears in Giuliani's utterings.

Giuliani said that prior to the Post’s publication of the story, he told the president “that there were… a number of photographs that show very explicit sexual activity, and other very personal things, and also display criminal conduct.”

But pressed on what in the photos and documents pointed to clear criminality, Giuliani would only point to Hunter Biden’s acknowledged drug use. “Smoking crack is a crime!” he exclaimed.

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Pressed on why he thought it was appropriate to so aggressively push sordid details of the drug past of the former VP’s son, who has openly discussed his past struggles with addiction, Giuliani insisted it could constitute a “major national-security threat” because it could have opened up Hunter, and therefore 2020 Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden, to potential blackmailing efforts.

“If you have him on there smoking crack, you have him violating federal law,” he said. “Crack isn’t marijuana… Crack is crack.”

It’s a ridiculous assertion, of course. Hunter Biden has publicly admitted to his struggles with substance abuse—and such an admission would puncture any blackmail or national security issue. Addiction specialists have excoriated members of Team Trump for making similar claims.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/rudy-...rked-with-a-russian-spy-to-dig-dirt-on-bidens
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TahiniBinShawarma said:
It's Steele Dossier 101 level nonsense. No one of authority has come out and said this is Russian disinformation. All there is is "people familiar with the matter" and the media burned that bridge a long time ago.
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Leaving aside the fact that you're side-stepping your own dishonesty there, you can say that "the media" aren't credible when they refer to sources (which I'll accept as true just for the sake of argument), but that doesn't imply that Giuliani is even half as credible as that. Giuliani is a total clown shoe.
 
gypsyjackson said:
What am I making up? I’d like to see a quote of my post doing so, please.

There couldn’t have been any contact details left, because imaginary people can’t leave contact details when they don’t leave imaginary laptops without imaginary stickers on with a man with an imaginary medical condition.
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I can say where that comes from in a general sense.

Whatever the motivation, people apply scientific burden of proof to events/topics in the socio-political domain. And whatever the motivation, it's mighty unimpressive.
 
TahiniBinShawarma said:
Nope, didn't evade, it's your memory and comprehension problem, not mine.

"This has nothing to do with the election"

Is your original statement I responded to. Now you are switching it to "how is it connected to the Biden campaign."

Those are two different things. I evaded nothing. It has nothing to do with the Biden campaign, this all happened way before any Biden for President campaign.

If you think that supposed emails in the hand of the the former VP's son getting funny money from China and sharing it with his dad isn't going to sway some voters, keep kidding yourself on that is all I have to say.

I heard you same people blame Comey for exonerating Clinton a few days before the election for Trump's win 4 years ago. You think they aren't going to drip this Biden stuff? You think this has nothing to do with the election?

Or do you realize your snark about me "evading" was misplaced because you can't remember what you said?
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Dude, you're evading so much you should start thinking about evasion therapy.
 
shuttlt said:
Like I said, it depends what is being refuted. If I'm saying that the emails on the laptop aren't mine, then that is easily dealt with since I have access to my own email.
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Again, you're badly missing the mark. To you, the investigation never moves past the abstract. "Just prove the e-mails aren't there." Okay, but how is that done? You still haven't explained that part.

We'll try it like this: I want you to prove that the heroin e-mail I claimed to have sent you (for the sake of argument) never actually arrived in your inbox. Do not speculate on what could be done. Actually do it.
 
Firestone said:
Judging by what Giuliani himself is saying, there isn't much meat on the alleged Hunter Biden's hard drive. And absolutely nothing criminal attributed to Joe Biden.

It's CT territory, even Soros appears in Giuliani's utterings.
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What about a coked up Don Jr. at the RNC convention. Isn't THAT a security threat?
 
I've gained exclusive access to one of the incriminating photos from Hunter Biden's laptop. It shows incontrovertible evidence of Hunter meeting with a dangerous enemy of America.


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Skeptic Ginger said:
It is unreasonable. The story is fishier than a tin of sardines.

Trump lies don't need to be the least bit credible. He puts them out there then cries CT when they are discredited. And sadly people suck up the nonsense the same way they have latched onto Qanon which is as ludicrous as claiming lizard people are running the country.
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You misunderstand. I meant it would not be unreasonable for Hunter to go to Delaware, not that he did go to Delaware. After all, that is where his father lives and where he grew up. TahiniBS was attempting to twist my meaning. I agree that the whole Hunter B computer story is, as you put it, fishier than a tin of sardines. Rudy G. is has become nothing but a useful idiot of the Russians.
 
Why Biden hasn't declared the emails illegitimate:

Common practice in these operations is to load the bait files with plenty of genuine hacked/stolen documents, photos, etc., then salt them with some forgeries. This was the technique, for example, in Russia's election-eve onslaught against Macron: /1

This technique puts the target in a position where they cannot deny the genuineness of some of the materials (which might be proved by other means) but also must not seem to be conceding the genuineness of all the materials (which would tend to validate the salted forgeries). /2

All things to keep in mind when someone demands to know why Biden hasn't declared the emails illegitimate. The method of the operation might be to place him in just such a position. /3, efn

https://twitter.com/walterolson/status/1317472837196722177?s=19
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shuttlt said:
Like I said, it depends what is being refuted. If I'm saying that the emails on the laptop aren't mine, then that is easily dealt with since I have access to my own email. If I am claiming they were altered, then again I have access to my emails so I can prove it. If I am claiming that the emails on the laptop are mine, but some additional emails have been slipped in, then I would expect the logs of Apple, or the other service providers who handled the email, to be able to show that the emails weren't sent. Given that the FBI are involved and presumably the owners of the mailboxes would be cooperative, this doesn't seem beyond the bounds of possibility.
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1) You're assuming that the photo is a photo of an actual email message. AFAIK, that hasn't been proven.
2) I can list all the email on my computer, but that doesn't prove that I never had a particular message and subsequently deleted it. Therefore, there is no way for me to prove that I never received a particular message.
 
Firestone said:
Why Biden hasn't declared the emails illegitimate:
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Exactly.

Biden is in a no win situation anyway. No matter whether Biden denied the emails or not, it wouldn't matter; the Fox pundits and Trumpers would attack him anyway just as they did Obama on the birth certificate.

The FBI is investigating this and the Bidens are wisely letting them handle it. They have the experts and the means to determine if this is a Russian manipulation.
 
Stacyhs said:
So, let me get this straight.

HB is living in Calif. when he supposedly drops off this old computer in Delaware on the other side of the country.

TBS explains this by saying HB goes back to Delaware for some reason. Easily enough checked by flight records/credit card records/ witness accounts etc.

But then HB, for some unexplained reason, just leaves the computer at the store without ever picking it up. It was important enough to take to the store for repair, but not important enough to pick up. For reasons. Despite having damaging emails of his father who is running for President of the US and a sex/drug video of himself.
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That has been explaine already. Please pay attention:

If you want to make sure that every single trace of an incriminating email on a mac disappears, you take it across the country, drop it off at a repair shop that is not an authorized Apple service center and is run by a man with poor eyesight, and leave it there under the assumption that the repairman will take ownership of it, scrub the hard drive without reading your email (since he has bad eyesight), and re-sell it.
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
That has been explaine already. Please pay attention:

If you want to make sure that every single trace of an incriminating email on a mac disappears, you take it across the country, drop it off at a repair shop that is not an authorized Apple service center and is run by a man with poor eyesight, and leave it there under the assumption that the repairman will take ownership of it, scrub the hard drive without reading your email (since he has bad eyesight), and re-sell it.
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Oh puhleese!

You take the hard drive out and destroy it.

Sorry if I missed your sarcasm.
 
Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
So, let me get this straight.

HB is living in Calif. when he supposedly drops off this old computer in Delaware on the other side of the country.

TBS explains this by saying HB goes back to Delaware for some reason. Easily enough checked by flight records/credit card records/ witness accounts etc.

But then HB, for some unexplained reason, just leaves the computer at the store without ever picking it up. It was important enough to take to the store for repair, but not important enough to pick up. For reasons. Despite having damaging emails of his father who is running for President of the US and a sex/drug video of himself.
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TellyKNeasuss said:
That has been explaine already. Please pay attention:

If you want to make sure that every single trace of an incriminating email on a mac disappears, you take it across the country, drop it off at a repair shop that is not an authorized Apple service center and is run by a man with poor eyesight, and leave it there under the assumption that the repairman will take ownership of it, scrub the hard drive without reading your email (since he has bad eyesight), and re-sell it.
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Ah....but not if he took it to the shop for repair as I said in my post. If he want to destroy the info on it, you remove and destroy the hard drive as Skeptic Ginger said.
 
TahiniBinShawarma said:
There is no chain of evidence issue. The FBI came and took the original hard drive. Making mirrors of a hard drive is in no way tampering.
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The FBI took something, or nothing. We have only a receipt for a computer in the NYPost article. A third page is added to the document there, but has no connection to the other two pages.

So we know that the FBI received a MacBook Pro from someone and then Giuliani presents this as evidence that it is Hunter Biden's MacBook. It could have been any MacBook anywhere with that number.

The third page is a printed receipt for a computer. Anyone can print that. I can print that with Word.
 
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