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Jeffrey Epstein arrested for child sex trafficking

This is a long, well written article:

https://www.motherjones.com/politic...twitter&utm_campaign=naytev&utm_medium=social

This is probably the best character and historical profile of Epstein I've read. Many of the how and why questions are answered, or at least solidly hinted at. The author made calls to people in Epstein's black book and many talked to him. An interesting cross section of financial people, models, actresses, and artists.

As will all things Epstein this is a complicated piece.

Check it out.:thumbsup:
 
Axxman300 said:
This is a long, well written article:

https://www.motherjones.com/politic...twitter&utm_campaign=naytev&utm_medium=social

This is probably the best character and historical profile of Epstein I've read. Many of the how and why questions are answered, or at least solidly hinted at. The author made calls to people in Epstein's black book and many talked to him. An interesting cross section of financial people, models, actresses, and artists.

As will all things Epstein this is a complicated piece.

Check it out.:thumbsup:
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That was fascinating, so thanks for posting it.

I particularly enjoyed this bit:

"To call Epstein a grifter is to assume he circumvented some genuine meritocratic world order, where the “real” virtuosos dutifully climb the “real” ranks into the oligarchy, powered by nothing but their native talents.

The truth is that the elite world that Epstein ascended into, the one I tapped into by way of the black book, is populated with hordes of loathsome, boring, untalented people living their bumbling, idiotic lives while just so happening to wield some share of the preposterous global bounty that he and the rest were after. For all the mystery surrounding Epstein’s fortune, its existence is hardly more inscrutable than the wealth of any of his other billionaire peers. He earned it the same way they all did, which is to say precisely not at all."
 
Axxman300 said:
This is a long, well written article:

https://www.motherjones.com/politic...twitter&utm_campaign=naytev&utm_medium=social

This is probably the best character and historical profile of Epstein I've read. Many of the how and why questions are answered, or at least solidly hinted at. The author made calls to people in Epstein's black book and many talked to him. An interesting cross section of financial people, models, actresses, and artists.

As will all things Epstein this is a complicated piece.

Check it out.:thumbsup:
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A very interesting read. I liked the caution:
I have been aggressively counseled to remind the readers of Mother Jones that an appearance in the address book is not evidence of any crime, or of complicity in any crime, or of knowledge of any crime.
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And I suppose you could add "or attended a party or flew on a plane". Though I'm not sure how far one can go with this. ;)
 
Jean-Luc Brunel arrested in France.

A French former model agent accused of procuring underage girls for the late financier and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein was detained by French police Wednesday at Paris' Charles de Gaulle Airport as he attempted to leave the country. Prosecution sources confirm to CBS News that Jean-Luc Brunel is now being questioned by Paris police and could face a range of sex charges.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-jean-luc-brunel-arrest-paris-models-tears-of-joy-alleged-victims/
 
Jeffrey Epstein's Palm Beach mansion demolished to erase reminder of crimes

Jeffrey Epstein's Palm Beach mansion is being demolished in the hopes of cleansing the area of his crimes.

The waterfront property was purchased by a real estate developer for a reported $US18 million ($23 million).

Florida-based developer, Todd Michael Glaser, said it would be personally satisfying to tear the property down and build a new mansion in its place.

'Palm Beach is going to be very happy that it's gone,' he said.
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quadraginta said:
I wonder what the real reason was.
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I think IS the real reason. It's a common practice known as "house flipping"; the property is bought by a speculator for a price far below its nominal value because there is something "wrong" with it - in most cases it's something for more mundane, like the house being too old and in obvious disrepair, out-of-code to a costly degree, or the yard being visibly trashed or poorly drained, etc, but while less common, it's not unprecedented for "the problem" to be a property's connect to a notorious crime. The speculator does whatever they need to do to "fix" the problem (building a completely new house on the property in this case) and then puts the house back on the market, gambling that the increase in the property's value will outweigh the cost of the repair enough to pay a profit.
 
Checkmite said:
I think IS the real reason. It's a common practice known as "house flipping"; the property is bought by a speculator for a price far below its nominal value because there is something "wrong" with it - in most cases it's something for more mundane, like the house being too old and in obvious disrepair, out-of-code to a costly degree, or the yard being visibly trashed or poorly drained, etc, but while less common, it's not unprecedented for "the problem" to be a property's connect to a notorious crime. The speculator does whatever they need to do to "fix" the problem (building a completely new house on the property in this case) and then puts the house back on the market, gambling that the increase in the property's value will outweigh the cost of the repair enough to pay a profit.
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I suspect 6bed/7baths is not much of a mansion. Sure, tear it down, put up a palatial residence of double the size. Make money. "Eraseing the reminder" has little to do with the profit except for lowering the purchase price.
 
Checkmite said:
I think IS the real reason. It's a common practice known as "house flipping"; the property is bought by a speculator for a price far below its nominal value because there is something "wrong" with it - in most cases it's something for more mundane, like the house being too old and in obvious disrepair, out-of-code to a costly degree, or the yard being visibly trashed or poorly drained, etc, but while less common, it's not unprecedented for "the problem" to be a property's connect to a notorious crime. The speculator does whatever they need to do to "fix" the problem (building a completely new house on the property in this case) and then puts the house back on the market, gambling that the increase in the property's value will outweigh the cost of the repair enough to pay a profit.
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I think it's pretty much exactly the same thing as when people don't want to live in a "haunted" house, or wear a murderer's sweater.
 
casebro said:
I suspect 6bed/7baths is not much of a mansion. Sure, tear it down, put up a palatial residence of double the size. Make money. "Eraseing the reminder" has little to do with the profit except for lowering the purchase price.
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I'm pretty sure nobody in the market to buy a mansion wants to buy the mansion of Notorious Pedophile Pimp Jeffrey Epstein. Don't let your cynicism get in the way of your common sense.
 
I tend to agree. I've seen places go to ruin for connection with crimes much less notorious than this. People don't want to live in a place that they feel is haunted or has a bad history, and this one is notorious enough that others will always make the connection even if the buyers can live with it. Aside from the comments about creepiness and questions about it all, and the "how could you" stuff, I can imagine that having guests joking about looking for the bathroom and accidentally stumbling on the dungeon, or asking where you keep the adrenochrome, etc. could wear pretty thin.
 
casebro said:
I suspect 6bed/7baths is not much of a mansion. Sure, tear it down, put up a palatial residence of double the size. Make money. "Eraseing the reminder" has little to do with the profit except for lowering the purchase price.
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14,000 sq. feet is pretty substantial, but some press reports say it's smaller than the properties around it. I'm sure the value is mostly the land, not the building.

And in this picture, it looks like they saved the pool and the pool house.
https://nypost.com/2021/04/22/jeffrey-epsteins-palm-beach-estate-has-been-demolished/
 
bruto said:
I tend to agree. I've seen places go to ruin for connection with crimes much less notorious than this. People don't want to live in a place that they feel is haunted or has a bad history, and this one is notorious enough that others will always make the connection even if the buyers can live with it. Aside from the comments about creepiness and questions about it all, and the "how could you" stuff, I can imagine that having guests joking about looking for the bathroom and accidentally stumbling on the dungeon, or asking where you keep the adrenochrome, etc. could wear pretty thin.
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I'm reminded of the eventual fate of notorious Cleveland serial killer Anthony Sowell's house, after the case finished and he was sentenced to prison. The entire neighborhood agitated for the city to take possession of the house and demolish it, which they eventually did - the lot is now a cared-for memorial garden dedicated to Sowell's victims. But even the couple of houses adjacent to Sowell's were never able to find buyers when their owners died or moved on; so there's like two or three just empty, contiguous grass lots in addition to the garden where Sowell's used to be.

It's not that people were afraid of "hauntings" or any such thing; such was the nature of the crimes that had taken place there that the house's very existence became a painful affront to the community.
 
On NCIS, one of the agents lived in a fancy home that was significantly above his pay grade. It was eventually revealed that he had investigated a murder in that home years earlier in which a man had killed his wife and stuffed her body under the floor. Nobody would buy the home, so he was able to get it for a song, and he didn't mind its history since he had been involved in catching the killer. He used a piano to cover the faint discoloration on the floor where the blood stains had been removed.
 
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