Trump and Melania test positive test positive for Covid 19

[Lurch]

I think "stinky, poisonous, dust" is really a wild exaggeration.

The White House is stinky, poisonous, dust, but the White House is not my world.


I look around my lily white suburb and I see "Black Lives Matter" signs in every direction. Regardless of what you or anyone thinks of Black Lives Matter, whether you agree or disagree with the movement, their organizers, or their aims, I think the fact that a bunch of white people are expressing solidarity with a bunch of black people shows that things are not so bad. I can still buy food, and so can my unemployed friends. Things are not all that bad. Even if Trump gets another four years, it's a problem we'll get past.


I think it's bad that we have elected someone with such an incredible disregard for science, and even for reality, that even with the best advisors in the world available, and even after experiencing the disease first hand, that he could declare that this disease is really a lot like the flu, which 100,000 people die from. (It hasn't happened in a very long time, including swine flu of a few years ago.) That's bad. However, the great thing about the United States is that the President doesn't have ultimate power, so as bad as he is, he can't turn the rest of the world into stinky, poisonous, dust.

There are still plenty of good people in the world, and they are still doing plenty of good things. The country is still mostly free, and a lot of efforts to make it worse still mostly get the thumbs down.

It's not so bad.

From the viewpoint of your relatively privileged station in your comfortable enough community, based on what you experience directly, I guess it's not so bad. Perhaps if you could walk in the shoes of some who enjoy no such comfort.

Don't let provincial, isolated thinking lull you into complacency. "It can't happen here" is a dangerous mindset. Discovered too frequently to the comfortable classes in too many societies throughout history where inimical forces were perceived too late.

 

[Sideroxylon]

Which experts? The ones saying not to wear a mask when this all began? Or the ones saying a cloth mask is good to go?

LOL I don't trust any of them. They seem to say what's convenient at the time. And by the way Covid 19 is a new disease, there were no experts a few months ago.

I will wear a mask by choice. It has nothing to do with anyone else's choice to wear one or not.

That is why America, founded on enlightenment optimism in science and reason, is such a mess. Every twit thinks their opinion is of equal value to experts. Too many people have abandoned trust in science and hard-earned expertise. This is not going to end well.

 

[Meadmaker]

Which experts? The ones saying not to wear a mask when this all began?

For what it's worth, I think those statements were extremely harmful. I was shocked when I read them then, and I think their long term effects were very detrimental to public health. It was an example of people who decided not to tell the truth because they were afraid of what would happen. That almost never ends well.

 

[acbytesla]

Which experts? The ones saying not to wear a mask when this all began? Or the ones saying a cloth mask is good to go?

LOL I don't trust any of them. They seem to say what's convenient at the time. And by the way Covid 19 is a new disease, there were no experts a few months ago.

I will wear a mask by choice. It has nothing to do with anyone else's choice to wear one or not.

Yea. Instead you believe a non stop liar with over 20 thousand public lies in 4 years. I bet you think the Earth is flat, that the Apollo moon landings were faked, 911 was an inside job as well as deny global warming.

Can't help anyone who denies science and is a sucker for a grifter.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

I bet you think the Earth is flat, that the Apollo moon landings were faked, 911 was an inside job as well as deny global warming.

Only if Trump told him to.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Yea. Instead you believe a non stop liar with over 20 thousand public lies in 4 years. I bet you think the Earth is flat, that the Apollo moon landings were faked, 911 was an inside job as well as deny global warming.

Can't help anyone who denies science and is a sucker for a grifter.

It's all the same nonsense with the Trumpers. Wallowing in no standards as way to "get back" at people who dare to have standards.

"LOL those egg head scientists didn't immediately come to a perfect 100% consensus that just shows they aren't as smart as they think they are so I'm gonna listen to the guy who had to be physically stopped from staring into an eclipse."

 

[varwoche]

Which experts? The ones saying not to wear a mask when this all began? Or the ones saying a cloth mask is good to go?

That was a long time ago. Much has been learned. Obviously.

LOL I don't trust any of them. They seem to say what's convenient at the time. And by the way Covid 19 is a new disease, there were no experts a few months ago.

Yeah thats how the fact-free bubble works.

I will wear a mask by choice. It has nothing to do with anyone else's choice to wear one or not.

Good. That's sensible, quite unlike the imbeciles assembled in the Rose Garden.

 

[portlandatheist]

We clearly need to slow down the testing. Too much testing is going on. Can we just slow it down please?

 

[Resume]

Which experts? The ones saying not to wear a mask when this all began? Or the ones saying a cloth mask is good to go?

Wow, medical science changes its mind based on the available data. Is that a bad thing? And now that we know better, why is the idiot in chief berating those who wear masks, and exhibiting piss-poor leadership by not wearing one? To trigger the libs? How ******* blind and stupid is that?

 

[JoeMorgue]

We're wasting our breath.

"Oh man sometimes people who are smarter than me are still sometimes wrong! That means I never have to listen to them!" is completely in their heads and there is no way to get it out. It's their new answer to everything.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Here you go, Chris. A history of the medical mask and the rise of throwaway culture [Lancet] If you are going to be deliberately obtuse, then at least do it with some knowledge of the subject. The use of medical masks to protect people from airborne diseases in droplets has been known for well over 100 years. They are not perfect, but significantly help. They are part of an armamentarium of methods to combat diseases. They do not restrict O2 or increase CO2, etc, etc. So people now claiming masks do no such thing are defying reality, a rather dangerous thing to do.

 

[acbytesla]

It's all the same nonsense with the Trumpers. Wallowing in no standards as way to "get back" at people who dare to have standards.

"LOL those egg head scientists didn't immediately come to a perfect 100% consensus that just shows they aren't as smart as they think they are so I'm gonna listen to the guy who had to be physically stopped from staring into an eclipse."

Science can only address the available data. Early conclusions are sometimes wrong. Science isn't a religion. It doesn't continue with wrong answers. It says, we made a mistake and now that we have more information, we have come to different conclusions.

Let's see. Should we go to a real estate developer who declared bankruptcy 4 times for answers on infectious diseases or should we listen to Doctors and Epidemiologists? Hmmmm.

 

[Mader Levap]

That took few days of silence, but finally some rethuglican crawled here to troll. And you all took bait.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Science can only address the available data. Early conclusions are sometimes wrong. Science isn't a religion. It doesn't continue with wrong answers. It says, we made a mistake and now that we have more information, we have come to different conclusions.

Let's see. Should we go to a real estate developer who declared bankruptcy 4 times for answers on infectious diseases or should we listen to Doctors and Epidemiologists? Hmmmm.

And that's the sad part of it.

Those egghead scientists aren't right about absolutely everything 100% of the time so let's listen to the guy who stared into the sun during an eclipse.

Those pretentious libruls aren't all across the board morally perfect so let's listen to the guy who bragged about committing sexual assault.

Government spending isn't 100% efficient all the time so let's elect the guy who somehow lost money running a casino.

It's all this sad passion play punishing us for ever having any standards of any kind.

 

[JoeMorgue]

That took few days of silence, but finally some rethuglican crawled here to troll. And you all took bait.

What ******* bait? I'm so sick of this. Nobody fell for anything. Everybody recognized it for what it was and used him as a chewtoy for fun.

 

[Dr.Sid]

Yeah, ignore trolls, enjoy Trump's fall.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

Rodeo

And by the way Covid 19 is a new disease, there were no experts a few months ago.

But there are experts in epidemiology, and Dr. Fauci has been in his present position since 1984. This is not his first rodeo.

I agree with Meadmaker that the original statements about masks were extremely unhelpful in the long run.

 

[Meadmaker]

That took few days of silence, but finally some rethuglican crawled here to troll. And you all took bait.

Sigh.....you are correct.

I had sworn out of the politics threads until election day, but the Trump diagnosis was enough to get me to feel like posting again, and now here I am posting about things that have nothing to do with Donald or Melania having the disease.

 

[acbytesla]

And that's the sad part of it.

Those egghead scientists aren't right about absolutely everything 100% of the time so let's listen to the guy who stared into the sun during an eclipse.

Those pretentious libruls aren't all across the board morally perfect so let's listen to the guy who bragged about committing sexual assault.

Government spending isn't 100% efficient all the time so let's elect the guy who somehow lost money running a casino.

It's all this sad passion play punishing us for ever having any standards of any kind.

I love science. Not because it always gets it right. But because it is objective. It is self correcting. Isaac Newton was about as smart a man who ever walked the Earth. The world ran on Newtonian physics for two centuries. But even he was corrected by LaPlace and later Einstein.

I say this while drinking out of my cup that says "Science works bitches"

 

[Venom]

Which experts? The ones saying not to wear a mask when this all began? Or the ones saying a cloth mask is good to go?

LOL I don't trust any of them. They seem to say what's convenient at the time. And by the way Covid 19 is a new disease, there were no experts a few months ago.

I will wear a mask by choice. It has nothing to do with anyone else's choice to wear one or not.

COVID-19 is a new disease in the sense that the agent had not been previously described before and clinical features not lining up exactly like anything before it, which is true of almost any new disease, but there are mountains of papers on coronaviruses and 1000s of photographs of people especially people in the far East wearing masks in public in dozens of epidemics since the new millenium.

Yes when something like this hits, the experts are the virologists.
Then you have public health management, where you can find experts for recommendations of a larger scale.